I have had the same "hot start" problem as all. I replaced my starter last year with a high torque starter from PE that never really seemed to fix the problem. It did spin the engine faster, but was still dragging when hot, sometimes taking several trues to start.

Today after running for about 2 hours, I got the same dragging and finally smelled something. After that, only a click and had to push start to get into the garage. It started right up. Pulled the starter and expected to smell burnt, which it did not. However, while there was no smell, the were bronze metal shavings on the inside of the housing. Where would this be from?

Is there a better gear reduction starter to replace this with? Also, should I replace the seleniod also since the strater did not smell burnt?

Thanks in advance.

Chip

There are many issues with starting a pantera.Many have replaced the starter,solenoid and cables with a larger diameter.If you do not have acess to a DC Amp Probe it is pretty difficult to trace.If you have a multimeter that would be helpful.I would disconnect your starter wires at the solenoid and take a ohm's reading with the ignition on.If you see resistance in the connection than replace your solenoid.Clean and check the connections at the battery and test your cables the same way
Good luck Sam

Sam, Chip,

an amp probe isn't needed, just look for voltage drops at all connections when the circuit is energized using a volt meter. A perfect connection has no voltage drop.

cowboy from hell

Dragging-slow-when-hot is a symtom of too much initial advance.

Remove coil lead, and if the cranking speed meraculously improves, that nails it.

The brass shavings inside the starter may be normal. Usually just the material from the brushes which are a combination of bronze and carbon.

Normally hard starting problems when hot are from the starter not getting enough power. I had this problem with my car LONG ago. I replaced all the battery wires with 0 Gauge welding wire with soldered end terminals. Never had a problem again.

My old 69 Fairlane once started smoking while trying to start it in the winter. It wasnt the starter, it was the small diameter wire. The wire to the starter actually was melting the insulation off. Replaced it with larger wire and it starts like a new car.

Trust me, it is not the stock starter. A stock starter will easily turn an 11:1 engine. It did for me. Change the wires. By the way, I still have the original starter on my car.

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Originally posted by CrazyDave:
Trust me, it is not the stock starter. A stock starter will easily turn an 11:1 engine. It did for me.

It didn't for me. My stock starter was replaced here a few years ago because of slow starts while hot. I put in a new one, and it fires up everytime now.

Still have the stock starter in mine. I had the hard start problem until I added a second large ground strap from the block.

Never had a problem since.

And my battery is pushing 10 years old !

Replaced the bad starter with the PPC high torgue gear reduction starter. Ran it today and stopped and started everytime, without an ounce of resistance.

Checked the grounding and voltage prior to putting in back in and all looks good.

Now I just need a day in the 90's to really test it. Seeing that it's 56 today, that will be next July... These V-8's do like to run strong in the cooler weather though!

Thanks all for the advice.

Chip

Chip I had the same problem ...I repalced the starter and still the same problem ... I cleaned all the terminals on the battery and wire going into the cable ends and coated them with copper conductor paste and wa la fixed. I also had a run on issue which was a small wiring issue George helped me with. Now ... I even advance the timing and still no problem.

Ron