Comp 2 - I have no record and there is no serial # as from what I can see justa casting #'s. I covered it and sat it in the corner of the barn. The other short block is brand new is cosmoline. The other intakes I sold most of them.
Detom - I have a friend up here in Florida Ny who has a 65 fastback that has XP-427 on the side and was an original Experimental Porduction car, but hes not parting with it. Valuable ? They had there moments ! The 10' timing chain didnt help those moments.
So my point is !
Look close at the MODULAR motor, its modeled after the SOHC. The FE series is a good motor. Believe me if I cant get this 351c build off the ground you'll see pics of this in the Pantera. I just cant bring myself to cutting up that car. A small block is what belongs in the Pantera.

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Originally posted by accobra:
A small block is what belongs in the Pantera.

I agree. I would want to decrease the weight back there if I could.

427 SOHC history for Gary:

In 1963 Ford announced the total performance program. Inside Ford this meant kick butt & win every type of racing there was at any cost. So in 1963 a Ford Galaxie powered by a 427 FE motor won NASCAR. For 1964 Chrysler fought back, introduced the 426 Hemi and kicked some Ford butt. Chrysler walked away with the NASCAR trophy for '64. After the '64 season Ford decided they needed a weapon to compete against the 426 Hemi and in about 3 months they developed the 427 SOHC (cammer), which is based upon the 427 FE side oiler short block. They dropped it in a '64 Galaxy and turned the fastest test laps at Daytona anybody had ever timed. Chrysler threatened to pull out of NASCAR if Ford was allowed to run the cammer, NASCAR responded by banning the cammer, it was never allowed to run in 1 NASCAR race. Ford then dropped the cammer into some Mustangs running in the A/FX class (factory experimental) and kicked butt in NHRA & AHRA drag racng instead.

Ron, that motor belongs in a stripped down & lowered '64 Galaxy 2 door. That would be too cool.

your friend on the DTBB, George

You go George !! and dont forget my favorite Comet ? Yes this is the basis for todays modular / Cammer that ford brought back. But let us not forget this monster is HHHHEEAAVY about 675lbs. Practical ? I think this is a museam piece. Realisticly what do I put this thing in ?
Oh George dont forget my favorite COMET also made this motor famous.

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Originally posted by accobra:
Comp 2 - I have no record and there is no serial # as from what I can see justa casting #'s. I covered it and sat it in the corner of the barn. The other short block is brand new is cosmoline. The other intakes I sold most of them.
Detom - I have a friend up here in Florida Ny who has a 65 fastback that has XP-427 on the side and was an original Experimental Porduction car, but hes not parting with it. Valuable ? They had there moments ! The 10' timing chain didnt help those moments.
So my point is !
Look close at the MODULAR motor, its modeled after the SOHC. The FE series is a good motor. Believe me if I cant get this 351c build off the ground you'll see pics of this in the Pantera. I just cant bring myself to cutting up that car. A small block is what belongs in the Pantera.

Actually Gary, the engine you have is probably worth more than your car. To the right people.

Detom - These engines are worth anywhere from 12 -25k depending on the condition. My car is worth 30k its a standard Pantera but I just bought it. So havent been able to sink my paws into it yet. I'm at a stand still with this Cleveland. To many tricks to get the to run high horse power and he blocks are weak. I'm thinking Windsor crate motor maybe just rebuild the cleveland as a stroker ??? Gotta get my act together. Maybe sell the 427sohc and really got tom town..........?

I didn't mean to put down the car at all, I am just saying these are ultra rare engines. I have a friend who knows one of the guys who was on that program at Ford. I will check with him to see what it is worth.
Yeah I know the standard Cleveland is kinda weak, right above the mains area, but I am sure that blocks like Dart and that australian place have got that all worked out. And they come in aluminum alloy too which means you can shave another 200 pounds off your car.
I know the 427 side oiler was a real strong motor because it was made to be a racer. You can get one of those in alloy too and it would weigh less than a cast iron small block. But then again that is real old school. Maybe one of those new modular motors?? Micheal was saying they are a ton of maoney if you want to get the one for the Ford GT, but the 302 modular crate is about 14K for 400 horse. I am sure it is pleanty strong.
Have you considered a super high winding rice motor?? Like that Honda that redlines at 9500 RPM?? Or how about a Honda v8 like they use in champ cars. Ford use to make a little tiny V10 that developed 750 horses at 16,000 RPM. I always wanted to get me one of those. Souynds like a buzz saw gone bezerk. It would scare the hell out of inocent bystanders and small children. Muwahahaha.
But getting back to reality, unless you are entering the 24 hours of LeMans, I am sure the Cleveland will be plenty strong. George knows how to build them to where they never ever break. He has built and help build hundreds and not a single one has ever broke. That is a convincing record if there ever was one.

No insult taken, George has given me mucho advice ! Thanks George, just all that I read has scared me a little. A good build is probabaly in the range of 10k when the smoke clears, I raced CJ's they reved to 7000 and made a lotta power and torque. I'm gonna stay with the Ford motors but that V10 sounded tempting.... LOL

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George knows how to build them to where they never ever break. He has built and help build hundreds and not a single one has ever broke.

LOL.....................

HUNDREDS!?

NEVER EVER BREAK!?

EEKS!

DeTom is that how legends are made? oh hell, I'm in trouble now.

I'll let you in on a little secret, back in the '70s & '80s, most Cleveland builds were in the 350 to 450 bhp range. Some guys were busting engines even at 450 bhp, but I believe that could have been avoided with proper assembly. The advent of cheap stroker kits & roller cams have made it easy to get a Cleveland into the >500 bhp trouble zone. That's the reality. You can go there with a Cleveland, but the engine needs to be assembled carefully, smartly, with no cutting corners. A Clevor built upon a Dart or FRPP block would be good insurance for your motor investment.

the legendary engine builder on the DTBB, Smokey Pence

By the way Ron, I'd give my eye teeth AND a couple of other precious things to acquire a cammer motor. What a find. I would truly love to drop one in a '64 two door Galaxy fast back. drop 'er on the chassis, cut out the wheel well sheet metal NASCAR style, side pipes, a 4 speed top loader.

Its like a Deuce coupe with a flat head, it just belongs.

You see, as a kid, there was an older guy who had one just like that. He bought a used Galaxy and dropped in a Cammer he had bought from Ford for about $2500 (about 2/3 the price of a new car back then). His cammer engine could totally overwhelm the Galaxy's chassis, he stripped teeth off his 9" ring gear & busted carriers, twisted axles, smoked clutches, he could get rubber in any gear at any speed at will. He even twisted his leaf springs into an "s" shape. (afterwards he invested in a good set of traction bars). he bought the least expensive tires he could find because they didn't last very long. He had a fiberglass bubble on his hood, hiding the engine. Jaws would drop when he opened 'er up and there sat this big, menacing SOHC 427. The one engine that trumps every other muscle car engine ever made. Imagine pulling up alongside a 'Vette with a 427 under the hood in a Galaxy and leaving him at the light like his engine stalled! The cammer with a single 4 barrel had 200 more bhp than a 427 'Vette! That's 50% more bhp than the 'Vette which sported over 400 bhp itself.

This fellow would drive by my street in his other car (Mustang) and pick me up, saying "hey George, hop in and come take a look at my car, tell me what I've broken now". LOL... I think he was actually showing off, you know, he was proud his motor could break parts so easily. He never complained about buying parts to fix his car.

The '60s were crazy times.

Wasn't this post originally about installing a mod motor in a Pantera. Oh well. Hey Mark! Me Bad!

reminiscing on the DTBB, George