here ya go....

That thing you mentioned there, my brother in law mentioned on my car too. But while he was here on vacation, we worked on the car, and i had the dampers off, cleaned for surfase rust, and had them resprayed. The rubber mounts in the rear was dry and hard (no craks or so) so I went looking for new ones. As I was let into my local carparts stores storage to look for what I might need, I found a pair of NEW rubber, matching exact to the ones I had that was from a Mercedes van (think it was a van). The only difference is that in the original part it is a bit thinner in the middle, but these was same thikness all the way. Still hear the vibration/resonance, but not so intrusive as it was.

Will find the partsnumber for the rubber and post it here. Most likely also cheaper than a DeTomaso part.

Does anyone have 180 that exit in the stock locations?

Mine will but I haven't finished running the pipes yet.

Not yet ... but the thought has been crossing my mind. My feeling is probably the 180's dumping into a muffler then exiting out of the side of the muffler and exiting out thru the stock openings? this may put a damper or drasticly increase performance ..with extensive testing.

Couple things to consider .. the lambos and ferraris all have air grills in the deck lid and some sort of air grills on the back of the tail light section. .. my guess is to allow hot air to exit, enter and circulate. Closing up the rear air grill solid I think would be a mistake and adding grills to the top of the rear deck would be asset to the longetivity and performance of the motor.

I;m considering 180's but cant decide whos to buy .. they seem to all say I have to deliver the car.

Ron

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Originally posted by accobra:
Couple things to consider .. the lambos and ferraris all have air grills in the deck lid and some sort of air grills on the back of the tail light section. .. my guess is to allow hot air to exit, enter and circulate. Closing up the rear air grill solid I think would be a mistake and adding grills to the top of the rear deck would be asset to the longetivity and performance of the motor.

I;m considering 180's but cant decide whos to buy .. they seem to all say I have to deliver the car.

Ron

Ferraris and Lambos have rear grill openings to exhaust air from the side airboxes for the radiator/oil coolers. The new ones have glass engine covers with little vents on the side and rear of the glass area. The rear grill opening on the Pantera is an air intake for the rear-mounted condenser. The only air grill opening for the pantera is through grill (if you still use them) above the motor air cleaner. If you really want more airflow to the motor, remove the rear quarter windows and install air scoops (elephant ears) from Hall.

The only benefit I see of dumping the exhaust through the stock openings is to retain the rear-mounted condenser and retain a small trunk (as you would have to cut it in half and only use the rear portion because of pipe placement. Otherwise, I would go straight back as Mark has on his car.

Attached are some scans from my old Hall Pantera Catalog from 1992. Sorry for the poor quality but it will at least show you the exhaust detail with the tips exiting to the stock opening. Notice that you will have to cut hole to exit the cab through the stock location.



I don't have a pick of the exhaust exiting the stock openning. This scan from the Hall catalog shows it somewhat and gives you an idea.



Good luck again with your project.

Aloha

My point was I tend to think we should add Grills, openings in order to allow MORE air to circulate thru the Engine compartment.

The elephant ears I think are for cold air to the Intake of the engine ... with or without an A/C condensor the rear grill is useless with the pipes going thru it ... the engine cover is in a ZERO pressure zone another useless grill.

Take a look at the Japanese group's cars .. they add a lot of ventilation to the engine compartment ... I think their on the right track ... all these modifications would ADD :
1. fresh air to the engine.
2. Cooler air to the compartment and aid in keeping the 180 headers cooler.
3. Take away some of the hot air so the drivers compartment is cooler.

In the spring 1995 issue of POCA there is a cover photo and centerfold photo of Mike Harpers black Group4 with the 180 pipes sticking out the stock opening at an angle. Really looks badass, and I bet acceleration sound would be unreal for pesky Lambos on the sides. Wonder what ever happened to Mike and his car?

PI Motorsports PowerPack Mufflers which have been opened, gutted, closed, and Silver Jet Hot Ceramic.

Different view shows the true color.