Taurus Window Motors?

Will,
I got mine from the wrecking yard. Unless you insist on having a warranty any early to mid 90's taurus will work. Take the motors out of the back doors and they will be practically brand new. 5 bucks each. I picked up 3 each side just in case. Take a hammer and chisel to knock the rivets out.
Doug M

I've read that they must be 4 hole. All I can find are 3 hole. Part # E6DF-14A365-AB for LF and A366 for RF.
Do you have the Ford part # handy? 3 or 4 hole?
Will

I got my four hole Aerostar units from NAPA Auto parts, but that was a few years ago. One of the better mods I’ve done to the car to improve its operation. The info is here http://www.panteraplace.com/page164.htm

Bill Taylor came up with the Taurus motor solution. The part numbers for the Taurus parts are here http://www.panteraplace.com/Page187.htm

Both solutions work really well and the nice thing is it improves the operation but it is not visible unless you take the door apart. Those are the type of mods I like best.

Mike

Yup, those are the part numbers on my spare motors. Three hole. I had no problems getting them to fit and work perfectly. I pretty much followed Bill Taylor's instructions/guidelines at panteraplace.com
Doug M

I believe the four hole motor only applies to the Aerostar units.

Mike

Do both of these options result in the window going all the way down?

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Originally posted by David B:
Do both of these options result in the window going all the way down?

They can and the mods are on Pantera Place.

Mike

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Do both of these options result in the window going all the way down?

No. Replacing the motors DOES NOT change the amount the windows go up or down. While the regulators/motors are out, others mods can be done to achieve the lower window position as instructed at Panteraplace. Replacing the motors with stronger motors only makes the operation faster with less current draw. Alternately, if I modify the window lifting mechanism as instructed at Panteraplace and use a stock motor, it will go down lower but very slowly because we're still using the weak stock motor. Two different jobs.
Will

I just finished doing both the Taurus window motor AND the lowering modification and it was 4 or 5 hours (complete one side) really well spent. WHAT A DIFFERENCE!

Mark

I was afraid to do this mod. A couple of the write ups from our engineer type owners got into almost micrometer type measurements.

However, Bill Taylor convinced me that the Taurus conversion was very easy and had room for error. Meaning it would be highly unlikely that I could totally screw up my window system. I took my time and it was in fact a very easy modification. For those of us on the mechanically challenged side I say just do it! The difference is amazing and I wish I had done this mod years sooner.

For those purists the Taurus conversion is not reversible. But as Mike said it is all hidden in the door. And honestly who would ever want to go back to the super slow originals?
Jeff

I performed the Taurus conversion on my driver's side last winter. It is not difficult at all and I would not consider myself a "skilled" mechanic. Amazing results. Plan on doing the passenger side soon.

Swen

I did mine last year and what an amazing difference!

Anyone on the fence about this (for tech reasons) shouldn't worry too much. Like Jeff and Swen say, it's pretty easy. In addition to Mike Daily's resources, my website (see this link about halfway down: http://www.markscars.ca/Pantera_Projects_2.html) has some detailed photos of what's involved.

Mark

Just got my Aero engines, and whilst I ordered 4 bolt ones, they are not.

Seen no reason though why to go for the 4 bolt version only... These should perfectly too.

I made the conversion last summer and I have no idea how you would get the riders side out if it fails in any place but the full up position.

The drivers side on my car has alot more room and I think I could get the assembley out.

I think I would have to cut the arm in two to get the riders side out.

They sure work, well worth the effort.

John

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Originally posted by INZOWHO:
Will,
Take the motors out of the back doors and they will be practically brand new. 5 bucks each. I picked up 3 each side just in case. Take a hammer and chisel to knock the rivets out.
Doug M

Would the back door window motor allow the window to go all the way down? On the Taurus the back windows only go part way down as a safety feature. Or is it stopped by a microswitch?

The back door motors are identical to the fronts. They are stopped in the Taurus by micro switches. No problem in the pantera.

They will not allow the windows to go ALL the way down. Glass will still stick up about an inch as they do with the original motors. The big advantage is the taurus motors will move the glass twice as fast with half the electrical power. Well worth doing the swap.

P.S. Love the orange and black on your car!

Doug M

Doug,
Thats great news, as I just ordered window motors off e-bay ($19ech) and only after buying did I notice that the right side was from the back door. I will do the mod to make the window go all the way down.

Thanks for the comments on the color, it does stand out in a crowd

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Originally posted by INZOWHO:
They will not allow the windows to go ALL the way down. Glass will still stick up about an inch as they do with the original motors. The big advantage is the taurus motors will move the glass twice as fast with half the electrical power. Well worth doing the swap.
Doug M

True, but if you notch the curved arm and flatten the bottom screw retainer you CAN get them all the way down. The link I posted above shows the mods needed. It is only another 20 min work and also well worth doing while everything is apart.

And I am in complete agreement. Orange is awesome on a Pantera and yours is a really nice hue.

Mark

Hey Will,
Have you found a source for the motors near you? I've tried 2 places out my way, one thinks they might have them and want $35 each, the other is a larger yard, but they don't have any taurus' that old, but they pointed me to a third wreckers up in Richmond Hill that has a number of the cars (I don't have a price yet, I'm going to call tomorrow).

You should be able to get a pair of used rear window motors for about $20-24 total.

Or get rebuilt ones off ebay.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...me=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

The motors don't control how far down the glass goes. If you haven't done this mod yet your first reaction is that you should have years ago.
Very easy to do. Taurus motors are cheap, plenty full and rugged. Like Nike says, "just do it".

Note - the Taurus window motors will not work on late-model cars unless you fab some kind of adapter plate or something.

The motors and mechanism are completely different. I discovered this after ordering 2 Taurus motors, paying shipping and import duties, taking the door apart, and removing the motors. They aren't Ducellier, although I forget who made them now..

The passenger side power window of my car has not worked since I purchased my car a few years ago. I decided to perform the Taurus conversion and make the window go all the way down, since I was going have to tear into the doors anyways.

I just finished the Taurus motor conversion tonight and have been working on the modifications to get the window to go all the way down. Right now the window still sticks up about a half an inch.

I have been studying the regulator and have not found where it is binding up but, hopefully, I can figure it out tomorrow.

On a brighter note, the new Taurus motor is very fast and smooth compared to my stock driver’s window. I did noticed both windows have a kind of popping sound coming from the spring on the back of the window regulator when the window gets close to the closed position.

Does anyone have any fixes or suggestions to make the spring quieter?

Thanks.

I assume you've inspected the spring for cracks. It wouldn't hurt to throw some grease on it. As for the window sticking up, the regulator strikes the bottom of the door. As far as I know the only remedy is to install the Vader kit.

The Vader kit is nice but is $$$$. I say try greasing it.

I just pulled two Taurus motors for $10 each at the local pick-a-part. I really dislike the stupid rivets.

Thanks for the advice. I did check the spring for cracks and don't see any. I’ll try some grease.

I tried to find some used motors in town but none of the junk yards had any – hard to believe with how prominent the Ford Taurus was. I was going to do the eBay thing but just ended up through going O'Reilly's Auto Parts because I was impatient and wanted to do the conversion this weekend.

As for the window going all the way down Panteraplace.com has a very detailed write up on modifying your original Pantera regulator so that this is possible. I have done what they recommended but must need to do a little more grinding in some areas to get the proper fit. Here is a link to the article: Windows that go all the way down.

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Right now the window still sticks up about a half an inch.

I have been studying the regulator and have not found where it is binding up but, hopefully, I can figure it out tomorrow.

Read this article on Pantera Place:
http://www.panteraplace.com/page188.htm

Garth,

That is the article that I have been following to try and get mine to go all the way down. So far the passenger side goes about quite a bit more than my driver's side (which I have not touched yet). I am pretty sure that I just need to grind a few more areas a little more and do some adjusting. I didn't have a chance to work on it yesterday so hopefully I can try to finish it tonight. I'll let everyone know how it goes. Thanks again.

There are plenty of Taurus cars in Utah, if you're close by (looks like somewhere in Wyoming). I just cherry picked from the cars that were easy to get to.

Corey,

Thanks for the information but I already bought the two units from the local auto parts store. I spent a little more than I wanted to but they had them in stock.

I still have a hard time believing that none of the junk yards in my area had any Taurus cars.

For anyone contemplating this conversion, it is very simple and makes a world of difference.

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Does anyone have any fixes or suggestions to make the spring quieter?

You need to remove the rust from the spring. The spring "binds" on the rust, and then releases with a POP. The spring can be removed for cleaning, but be VERY VERY careful. The hardest part of the spring to clean is the smaller center coils (not much room to work). Once cleaned, a light coating of grease will act as a rust inhibitor and lubricant.

John

John,

Thanks for the advice on the removing the spring. I pondered if I should give that a try but it looked like something that could knock your teeth out pretty easily. I guess I’ll see what I can do the next time I work on the car.

I did have a chance to tinker on how far the passenger window lowers this evening. It now goes down almost even with the window molding. It sticks up in the middle of the door just a bit - maybe an eighth of an inch. However, when you put your arm on the window sill you can’t even feel it.

Also, the window still does not move as freely in the window track as I would like, so I am going to work on the alignment a little more.

Below is a pic of my passenger window in the full down position with everything hooked up. I'll try and get a better pic when I have the car out in the sun next time.

I had a chance to finish up my Ford Taurus motor conversion on the passenger side this weekend. The windows go all the way down now and are real smooth. Tonight I removed the regulator and took out the regulator spring for a little cleaning. I bead blasted it, greased it, and reinstalled it. The window is now very quiet when it goes up and down.

I have uploaded a video of the window running on Youtube. My 4 year old son is running the switch so it stops a few times when his finger comes off the switch. Even with that, you can tell how fast the window now is. By the way, this video was filmed prior to the removal of the spring for cleaning and greasing so it is noisy.

Hopefully, I’ll get the driver’s side down this weekend.

P.S. Here is the link to the video

I changed one of my window motors, which doubled the speed, but that window of yours, goes even faster...

Nice work!

Just did mine on pass side, now going to work on drivers.
Total upgrade cost $15 per side, just cant beat that.

Fast windows and fast soft tops remind me of Porsche owners with nothing better to do, competing in that. Just kidding. But I do love my windows in both the Pantera and the Longchamp, they're amazingly slow but always get there. Like a classic car should be

I'll probably do the upgrade one day also...

Mine had a broken plastic gear on pass side, so it just made sense to do the upgrade while I was there. Drivers side was a bonus

Work great don't they?