thanks so much. I have tried a google search for Franz and also Roland with Holland Overdrive but had no luck. I also looked at the member directory /community list for Franz and Roland but was unable to locate them. Are these guys the ones that put the Holland event on, Dutch Pantera guys or members of this list? Do you have any contact info for each of them? I am sorry to trouble you with this I am just trying to find out as much as I can about that car.