Roland,
You have a smart wife and a beautiful ride!
Oh well, my search continues..
Ray
You know nothing about me dude, so whatever.
quote:Originally posted by Sanford:
Hey Coz, you're a real peach as Advertising and Events manager for PI, aren't you. Let's see, vendors are PI's advertisers and PI events are ... car shows, right? Good thing you didn't burn any bridges.
Oh well, at least "It's not personal guys".
That'a fact George. Never have I ever kept or worked as hard on any sports car I've had other than this Pantera, 7 years, bumper to bumper. And I've had a lot of cars in my lifetime as you well know. When I walk out into the garage and look at it, I get sick to my stomach knowing it's not going to be there much longer.
The passion is still there and will always be there, but my family comes first, period.
It won't be long and I'll start looking for a project Pantera to begin again on. This Pantera may be gone, but the Pantera Passion inside of me will never be.
For all of you that can't seem to grasp that, tough shit, you can F off.
The passion is still there and will always be there, but my family comes first, period.
It won't be long and I'll start looking for a project Pantera to begin again on. This Pantera may be gone, but the Pantera Passion inside of me will never be.
For all of you that can't seem to grasp that, tough shit, you can F off.
quote:Originally posted by george pence:
Jim has owned 9178 longer than he has ever owned any of his sports cars. Why? Because it drew the passion from him. Like a woman that drives you crazy, but you can't let her go. Coz has also developed emotional ties with Pantera owners. Why? Because in us he has found like souls, people with passion.
Jim had to make a decision that all family men have to make from time to time, to put the needs of his family ahead of his own needs. Otherwise he would not be selling 9178. I guarantee you, when things get better, Jim will be back in the market for Pantera #3.
I think I just wrote my next editorial!
lol..................
Dude, the guy just sold his car lay off!!
Jim Cozzolino shall remain the Pantera International events and advertising manager, no bridges have been burned. Jim has always been "opinionated", that's just Jim, and we all love him for it.
Anybody that wants to bitch slap Jim, should plan on going through me first.
Enough said?
Anybody that wants to bitch slap Jim, should plan on going through me first.
Enough said?
VERY WELL SAID GEORGE. COUNT ME NEXT IN LINE TO BE THERE FOR JIM... IT'S A HARD DECESION.... AND JIM IS JIM THATS WHAT WE LOVE ABOUT HIM! SO MR. NOVICE, MIGHT DO BETTER TO LAY OFF ON THIS SITUATION THAN TO CONTINUE TO THROW SALT INTO THESE WOUNDS. I MYSELF HAVE SPENT MANY MAN HOURS MYSELF WITH JIM ON HIS RIDE AND KNOW HOW HARD THIS HAS TO BE. SO DUDE LAY OFF. 
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Thanks John. Everything's cool brother.
Ya buddy, we do have many, many hours in our cars together. Great times John & more to come.
I like that picture you have of me working on your car better the one I have. Yours is much more flattering....
Maybe it's the before and after the *itch slap
Ya buddy, we do have many, many hours in our cars together. Great times John & more to come.
I like that picture you have of me working on your car better the one I have. Yours is much more flattering....
Maybe it's the before and after the *itch slap
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Jim has done so much for the marquee and for the pantera community in general and I know will contiue to do so. I know that its breaking his heart to sell his car. He of all people has earned every right to vent his frustrations of having to do something very difficult and that's all it is, venting the frustration of losing something very precious to him. Those of us who know him, know that his love for this car and everything about it good or bad will never end.
Don't judge the man until you've walked a mile in his shoes!
Don't judge the man until you've walked a mile in his shoes!
Although I've never met him, Jim and I have literally spent hours together on the phone. He has sent me odd information, a CD on rebuilding ZFs, and even a set of wheel spacers for my Kodiaks...which I wouldn't even have without him! All of these things were freely given by a true enthusiast and friend. He tore up my checks!
He has the no-nonsense personality of someone who makes his own decisions, doesn't second guess himself, and moves forward no matter what the consequences. Admirable traits where I come from.
I'm intrigued by a NSX chassis with a worthy power plant. The only element missing from the equation is that power plant. The photo of the black NSX is a real enticement!
I'm too old school to re-learn everything...which is what getting into the NOPI world would entail...but I have a feeling Jim is up to and relishing the challenge.
Keep me in your data-base Jim, I want to keep up with your new project.
Friend forever, no matter what, Mooso.
He has the no-nonsense personality of someone who makes his own decisions, doesn't second guess himself, and moves forward no matter what the consequences. Admirable traits where I come from.
I'm intrigued by a NSX chassis with a worthy power plant. The only element missing from the equation is that power plant. The photo of the black NSX is a real enticement!
I'm too old school to re-learn everything...which is what getting into the NOPI world would entail...but I have a feeling Jim is up to and relishing the challenge.
Keep me in your data-base Jim, I want to keep up with your new project.
Friend forever, no matter what, Mooso.
I really don't understand the angst people post about Jim's decision.
Jim, I've always wanted ride in an NSX, so let me know when its done!
Jim, I've always wanted ride in an NSX, so let me know when its done!
I think the angst come from the comments-
"I can do better for the money I spend"
"or be held up any longer by Pantera vendors"
Coz has decided he would like another car.
That is great if thats the way he feels. I've done the same.
He just seems to throw in same negatives about us "older" generations who love the Pantera & the vendors who supply us parts.
Maybe I'm reading Jim's email wrong.
Tom
"I can do better for the money I spend"
"or be held up any longer by Pantera vendors"
Coz has decided he would like another car.
That is great if thats the way he feels. I've done the same.
He just seems to throw in same negatives about us "older" generations who love the Pantera & the vendors who supply us parts.
Maybe I'm reading Jim's email wrong.
Tom
Let me try and say it better…..if that’s possible for me…..
First of all, I AM part of that “older” generation. I turned 54 in November. I just refuse to grow up or grow old. Not yet anyway. I am not the type of person to own a Pantera and just sit on the couch and talk about it or go to meetings and sit in circle jerks.
My personal passion comes from how I feel when I look at it and drive it after knowing I have turned my own wrenches, painted my own car, did my own modifications, and the 1000’s of hours that it took me. To me personally, this is the real pride of ownership and the true passion that ownership brings and should be all about.
But….then again, we all end up paying for our passion one way or another in Pantera’s. Some just write checks and some of us write checks & get our hands dirty. Who am I to say that how one man views of passion should be like the next mans view of passion. Passion is something we all feel in our own hearts.
It’s NO secret how I feel about some of the vendors as I have made this clear on several occasions. I’ve been hosed by a few of them. I know that most of you have also been hosed by a few of them as well. If you haven’t, you haven’t been into Pantera’s very long. When I imported my car 7 years ago from Europe, I knew what I was getting into. Through it all, good and bad, I have enjoyed the passion I’ve felt with my Pantera. I’ve watches prices on parts over the last 7 years double in prices and the prices for ZF parts triple while the service has gone to shit in many cases. You can love the vendors all you want, but I find it hard to love anyone that pisses down my back and tells me it’s raining. I’ve told them this over the phone and in person. This is not to say that all vendors are bad, because their not. But the fact is, when there is few vendors that we can go to for parts and service, we’re at their mercy. They know it and we pay the price and call it passion. I’ve told certain vendors how I feel in person and on the phone. I am not the kind of person that will ever kiss anyone’s ass to be liked or do business with. (In case you didn’t know that) I have the greatest respect for the vendors I deal with and I know they have the greatest respect for me as well. But we both know what to expect and where we stand with each other at all times in the process. Which is why the one’s I deal with are also considered friends, and that's both ways.
It’s NO secret how I feel about car shows, garage and trailer queens. Granted it’s just my personal opinion, but I personally think car shows are nothing more than a bunch of people that get together trying to out do each other in the money they’ve spent for trophy’s and bragging rights to say mine is better than yours without ever getting their hands dirty. The same people that never take their cars on runs or events because, gee, it looks like it might rain. Pussy's, no matter what kind of cars they drive... But… Once again, who am I to say that their passion for their cars is not any more important or heart felt than mine is to me. They probably have a better idea anyway. Build a car, never drive it and never have to buy parts or repair it…..Maybe they have the right idea after all…..
I’ve always believed that owning a car like this was meant to be driven every chance you get. Who knows, tomorrow, you may never get another chance to drive it. I’ve lived with my cars like this since my first one 40 years ago. That’s who I am and that’s who I’ll always be.
We are free to choose to stay with our passion or move on to another one. I also chose to stay with my Pantera. Unfortunately my passion has to take a back seat to the responsibility I have to my family right now. So be it.
My example of passion;
Bring a Pantera from Europe 7 years ago, spend 70,000.00+ total dollars and have 1000’s hours in time getting it to where it is now and then selling it for much less than you have in it…. And when it’s all said and done, not caring about the money or time lost, but instead all that matters is having to give up something that has become a big part of who you are and the passion you’ve felt so hard and for so long. I feel like I’m on the outside looking in now, just a wanta be. It’s a sick feeling you can’t even imagine that is always in the pit of your stomach and makes your heart ach. I hope those of you that really understand this kind of passion never feel what I’m feeling right now by having to give up your Pantera if and when that time comes. Yea, many will say it’s only a car, no big deal…..Well I say to you, maybe to you, but not to me.
All my life I have owned cars like this. This is what has motivated me to get out of bed every morning and go to work and put up with employer’s, or customers B/S as a business owner. Because at the end of the day, I can get into my one true passion in life, other than my wife and children, no matter how bad the day was, forget about everything else and be where I want to be away from it all driving down the road immersed in the world I call passion. I live for this, this is who I am. This is when I truly feel free.
So, I am trying to justify in my mind that it’s OK to let the Pantera go since at this point it’s necessary and I’m replacing it with an NSX. But you know what, I don’t feel the same excitement knowing I’m getting the NSX or that I’ll be driving a NSX. It’s like kissing your sister…..
You lose an arm, do you get excited about getting a prosthetic one ?
I apologize that I have hurt some of your feelings and wallowing in my self pity. That wasn’t my intentions. In my frustration, my anger and the hurt I feel inside right now…. I’m being a dick….. I am trying to work my way through it, maybe not so well at times. For that I am sorry.
I’ve met a lot of great people by owning my Pantera. Many of which have become close to me, my family and are very much considered the true friends in my life. Our passion has brought us together and for that I will always be grateful, But more important, our love for each other will keep us together. That’s what’s most important to me as I work through one of the hardest times in my life.
I know those of you that really know me understand. Thanks my brothers.
Another saving grace to all of this is my Pantera is going to Julian. Julian is someone I know personally and consider a good friend. I know Julian will take care of my baby, is going to actually drive it and will continue to make it all it can be. For that I’m also very thankful for…..
I’m not going anywhere guys, I’d miss you all to much….so I guess your just going to have to put up with me…
And Sandford.....no hard feelings brother, I deserved some of what you said. Thanks for you PM note. It was very much appreciated.
First of all, I AM part of that “older” generation. I turned 54 in November. I just refuse to grow up or grow old. Not yet anyway. I am not the type of person to own a Pantera and just sit on the couch and talk about it or go to meetings and sit in circle jerks.
My personal passion comes from how I feel when I look at it and drive it after knowing I have turned my own wrenches, painted my own car, did my own modifications, and the 1000’s of hours that it took me. To me personally, this is the real pride of ownership and the true passion that ownership brings and should be all about.
But….then again, we all end up paying for our passion one way or another in Pantera’s. Some just write checks and some of us write checks & get our hands dirty. Who am I to say that how one man views of passion should be like the next mans view of passion. Passion is something we all feel in our own hearts.
It’s NO secret how I feel about some of the vendors as I have made this clear on several occasions. I’ve been hosed by a few of them. I know that most of you have also been hosed by a few of them as well. If you haven’t, you haven’t been into Pantera’s very long. When I imported my car 7 years ago from Europe, I knew what I was getting into. Through it all, good and bad, I have enjoyed the passion I’ve felt with my Pantera. I’ve watches prices on parts over the last 7 years double in prices and the prices for ZF parts triple while the service has gone to shit in many cases. You can love the vendors all you want, but I find it hard to love anyone that pisses down my back and tells me it’s raining. I’ve told them this over the phone and in person. This is not to say that all vendors are bad, because their not. But the fact is, when there is few vendors that we can go to for parts and service, we’re at their mercy. They know it and we pay the price and call it passion. I’ve told certain vendors how I feel in person and on the phone. I am not the kind of person that will ever kiss anyone’s ass to be liked or do business with. (In case you didn’t know that) I have the greatest respect for the vendors I deal with and I know they have the greatest respect for me as well. But we both know what to expect and where we stand with each other at all times in the process. Which is why the one’s I deal with are also considered friends, and that's both ways.
It’s NO secret how I feel about car shows, garage and trailer queens. Granted it’s just my personal opinion, but I personally think car shows are nothing more than a bunch of people that get together trying to out do each other in the money they’ve spent for trophy’s and bragging rights to say mine is better than yours without ever getting their hands dirty. The same people that never take their cars on runs or events because, gee, it looks like it might rain. Pussy's, no matter what kind of cars they drive... But… Once again, who am I to say that their passion for their cars is not any more important or heart felt than mine is to me. They probably have a better idea anyway. Build a car, never drive it and never have to buy parts or repair it…..Maybe they have the right idea after all…..
I’ve always believed that owning a car like this was meant to be driven every chance you get. Who knows, tomorrow, you may never get another chance to drive it. I’ve lived with my cars like this since my first one 40 years ago. That’s who I am and that’s who I’ll always be.
We are free to choose to stay with our passion or move on to another one. I also chose to stay with my Pantera. Unfortunately my passion has to take a back seat to the responsibility I have to my family right now. So be it.
My example of passion;
Bring a Pantera from Europe 7 years ago, spend 70,000.00+ total dollars and have 1000’s hours in time getting it to where it is now and then selling it for much less than you have in it…. And when it’s all said and done, not caring about the money or time lost, but instead all that matters is having to give up something that has become a big part of who you are and the passion you’ve felt so hard and for so long. I feel like I’m on the outside looking in now, just a wanta be. It’s a sick feeling you can’t even imagine that is always in the pit of your stomach and makes your heart ach. I hope those of you that really understand this kind of passion never feel what I’m feeling right now by having to give up your Pantera if and when that time comes. Yea, many will say it’s only a car, no big deal…..Well I say to you, maybe to you, but not to me.
All my life I have owned cars like this. This is what has motivated me to get out of bed every morning and go to work and put up with employer’s, or customers B/S as a business owner. Because at the end of the day, I can get into my one true passion in life, other than my wife and children, no matter how bad the day was, forget about everything else and be where I want to be away from it all driving down the road immersed in the world I call passion. I live for this, this is who I am. This is when I truly feel free.
So, I am trying to justify in my mind that it’s OK to let the Pantera go since at this point it’s necessary and I’m replacing it with an NSX. But you know what, I don’t feel the same excitement knowing I’m getting the NSX or that I’ll be driving a NSX. It’s like kissing your sister…..
You lose an arm, do you get excited about getting a prosthetic one ?
I apologize that I have hurt some of your feelings and wallowing in my self pity. That wasn’t my intentions. In my frustration, my anger and the hurt I feel inside right now…. I’m being a dick….. I am trying to work my way through it, maybe not so well at times. For that I am sorry.
I’ve met a lot of great people by owning my Pantera. Many of which have become close to me, my family and are very much considered the true friends in my life. Our passion has brought us together and for that I will always be grateful, But more important, our love for each other will keep us together. That’s what’s most important to me as I work through one of the hardest times in my life.
I know those of you that really know me understand. Thanks my brothers.
Another saving grace to all of this is my Pantera is going to Julian. Julian is someone I know personally and consider a good friend. I know Julian will take care of my baby, is going to actually drive it and will continue to make it all it can be. For that I’m also very thankful for…..
I’m not going anywhere guys, I’d miss you all to much….so I guess your just going to have to put up with me…
And Sandford.....no hard feelings brother, I deserved some of what you said. Thanks for you PM note. It was very much appreciated.
LOL...
Wow! Nostalgic, makes me feel old! Question is who's being the "Dick"?
You must be mistaken, there's no dicks on this forum, just Pantera lovers....
You must be talking about the Ferrari forum.....
You must be talking about the Ferrari forum.....
quote:Originally posted by 4NFORD:
Wow! Nostalgic, makes me feel old! Question is who's being the "Dick"?
quote:Originally posted by Coz:
You must be mistaken, there's no dicks on this forum, just Pantera lovers....
You must be talking about the Ferrari forum.....quote:Originally posted by 4NFORD:
Wow! Nostalgic, makes me feel old! Question is who's being the "Dick"?
I'm trying to do both...we have "talked" on NSX Prime
I know, you use the same aviator and name :-)
quote:Originally posted by TomCat:
I'm trying to do both...we have "talked" on NSX Prime
For those who haven't been following this thread closely, I am the one who posted the virtual "bitch-slap" of Coz for some remarks he made in an earlier post. You will also notice that those posts are gone - fortunately for me this forum allows me to erase statements I made without knowing all the facts.
After learning more, I realized the lack of class I displayed in my comments and I have apologized personally to Coz. Coz graciously accepted my apology and I appreciate his gesture.
The bottom line is we are a community of shared passions and we support each other even when we have spats along the way. So along with his friends who have chimed in on this post, I lend my support and encouragement to Coz as he goes forward (no matter what he drives
).
Kum-By-Yah mode off.
Sanford
AKA: M. Pinson-Dallas
After learning more, I realized the lack of class I displayed in my comments and I have apologized personally to Coz. Coz graciously accepted my apology and I appreciate his gesture.
The bottom line is we are a community of shared passions and we support each other even when we have spats along the way. So along with his friends who have chimed in on this post, I lend my support and encouragement to Coz as he goes forward (no matter what he drives
).Kum-By-Yah mode off.
Sanford
AKA: M. Pinson-Dallas
No worries Mark...
You're all class in my book.
Coz
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sanford:
After learning more, I realized the lack of class I displayed in my comments and I have apologized personally to Coz. Coz graciously accepted my apology and I appreciate his gesture.
You're all class in my book.
Coz
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Sanford:
After learning more, I realized the lack of class I displayed in my comments and I have apologized personally to Coz. Coz graciously accepted my apology and I appreciate his gesture.
quote:Originally posted by Coz:
...Mark...You're all class in my book...
Ditto...
Jim,
You wear your passion for the Pantera on your heart.
I think thats why the Pantera was just more than a car to you.
I think we can all relate to that.
Please keep us updated on whats happening in your life & keep up with the advise that you have always provided for us.
Tom
You wear your passion for the Pantera on your heart.
I think thats why the Pantera was just more than a car to you.
I think we can all relate to that.
Please keep us updated on whats happening in your life & keep up with the advise that you have always provided for us.
Tom
Jim will be back after he sows some wild oats "cooking rice" with his new rice burner!
I'd jump into my being a Dick bag, but I don't have time right now. My wife is calling and my Fried Rice is ready.
quote:Originally posted by george pence:quote:Originally posted by 4NFORD:
...sows some wild oats ...
Hi,Coz I really like the picture you posted.That is one of the finest looking NSX's I have ever seen. My 03 is black also but quite stock at this time.I would like to find out a little more about this car and the body pieces that were used. Do you have that info? Also what size and offset are the wheels and tires. Have you bought your car yet? If not, you wont be disappointed when you get it.
Joe
Joe