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Chip Foose

deniscdeniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
Got a Newsletter from the Hall crew yesterday
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'We had a nice surprise the other day. A new owner came in looking for parts for his late 1971 Pantera. A very well known person in the automotive industry, Chip Foose. He spent all morning looking for parts and ideas for his new project. It is his own personal car and will hopefully be at the SEMA show in Las Vegas later this year. I asked him if was ok to let people know about the project and if he had pictures of the car in progress. Check Twitter or Instagram to follow Chip Foose online.'

Now I just googled it so here is a link to facebook page (see pushbutton door conversion)


https://www.facebook.com/chipfoose


https://twitter.com/chipfoose

https://instagram.com/chipfooseofficial/

Let's see where he is taking this Smiler
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garth66garth66"When speed is the only thing that counts"
As purchased.



Stripping it...



Laid bare...



Blocking out the body...



Getting a coat of primer...



So far so good; no obscene body mods. He usually shaves the door handles on everything he builds, so it will be interesting to see if he maintains the Pantera's door handles.

He probably saw Jay Leno's Pantera and decided he had to have one too!
R 1Rocketship (Guest)
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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
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Originally posted by dvil:
Very interesting.
I would like to know where he got parts for converting the doors to pushbuttons.
Is it an original Pushbutton Pcar?


I heard he cut them off of an original Mangusta he has out back?
Makes perfect sense Bravo they're only good as parts cars ...Mark
dave2811dave2811Member
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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
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Originally posted by dvil:
Very interesting.
I would like to know where he got parts for converting the doors to pushbuttons.
Is it an original Pushbutton Pcar?


I heard he cut them off of an original Mangusta he has out back?


I know a guy who works at Foose Design. He said that they are Mangusta parts, but they were not cut from a real goose Sympathy Apparently Mangusta push buttons are cheaper than Pantera push buttons. Confused
lf-tp2511lf-tp2511Member
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I know a guy who works at Foose Design. He said that they are Mangusta parts, but they were not cut from a real goose Apparently Mangusta push buttons are cheaper than Pantera push buttons.


Something in my dim memory banks seem to tell me those push buttons were taken from a fairly common Italian marque of the era, I believe Fiat.

Larry
George PGeorge PAdmin.
Unfortunately this isn't Facebook. If it were, I'd give Zonkey a thumbs up. I like the car sans the side markers. But the missing door handles, although perhaps impractical, is just icing on the cake. I have a foot in an era when "cleaning" the body trim up like that was considered "bitchen". I've told Richard in person his car is gorgeous. Still true today. Hope all is well Richard.

Some were put-off by other recent custom Panteras. From what I've observed Chip's car will be as equally tasteful as Richard's. But either way Chip has my welcome and support in this community.
pantherpantherMember
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Originally posted by rbarkley671:
I think markers are for wussies!!

Also door handles. But that's just me and Tom Tjaarda: Some original sketches of the Pantera I saw some time ago didn't show either. Maybe that's why at the Concorso Italiano in 2002 (or 2003?) Tom voted Zonkey "Best Engineered"


Agreed! A very clean look as Tom Tjaarda intended. I followed your restoration many, many years ago on the email forum. Your Pantera is a masterpiece!

Enjoy in good health.
ahudsonahudsonMember
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Originally posted by George P:
Please no "originality vs custom" debate or comments.



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Originally posted by George P:Some were put-off by other recent custom Panteras. From what I've observed Chip's car will be as equally tasteful as Richard's.


You're banned! Smiler

From the recent article in R&T, to the Pantera being featured on 'What's My Car Worth', to Chip Foose loving on the car and doing his tasteful best, clearly Panteras are enjoying some deserved positive attention.

Great stuff. Hope the Foose car gets televised.

George, I bet an email from you inviting Chip is all it'd take. Surely someone on this Forum can forward to him.
huskerhuskerMember
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Originally posted by Marlin Jack:
...Side Marker Lights are There for a Reason!
Sure, I agree! 'Shaved' Side Lights Look Very Cool!...Until, at Night, You get 'T-Boned' in an Intersection!!


That may be the intent, but in practice, IMHO, they'll do nothing to prevent getting T-boned. They don't give off enough light, although, switching to LEDs may help. If somebody can't see headlights and this mass of metal in front of them between e-mails, texts, tweets and phone calls you're just gonna get hit. The one good use is if they are used as side turn signal indicators. JTs are quite nice. A great bit of detail. Someone mentioned that they had seen a car where the lens were the same color of the car but wouldn't give out the proprietary details on how it was done. In most cases I imagine it isn't done because of inspection/state requirement restrictions.
deniscdeniscCaretaker of 8MA1244 '70 Euro Mangusta DRIVE THEM, THEY WERE MEANT TO BE DRIVEN, IF YOU WANT TO LOOK AT ONE, BUY A POSTER!
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Originally posted by Dave2811:
Interesting treatment of the headers. A toss back to the original design. I see that he is staying very close to the original design in a lot of the components.


I guess modern Magnaflow has not done any better than vintage Ghia/DeTomaso/ANSA. I was hoping for 180s. Let's wait and see/hear if sound is different.
davidnunndavidnunnMember
It looks like Chip Foose will be using 15" wheels/tires on his Pantera. If you look at the attached photo, the tires in question are Pirelli P7 Corsa Classics. I assume he'd use 235/45-VR15 in the front but the tires in the photo, which must be the rears, are 305/35-VR15. Seems a bit short to me.

Pirelli makes the P7 Corsa Classic in a 315/40-VR16, which would work for people who wanted to run their OEM wheels on the front and 16" Campi replicas at the rear.

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ktmikektmikeMember
Early cars including my 1464 had rear mounted ZF's only instead of the later side mounts.
These cars tended to snap the studs off of the rear of the ZF with heavy acceleration, which is how my car arrived.
The ZF is easily converted to side mounts with kits from Hall, IPSCO, etc. which is a much sturdier mount, and doesn't sacrifice the rear studs on the ZF.
Somebody should tell Chip the first time he gets on the gas really hard he risks snapping the rear studs on the ZF with a rear mount.

Mike
michael1424michael1424It takes energy not to get used to it!
Hey Mike and thanks! Running the risk of hijacking this thread though is it possible to have both side and rear mounts? I had a look at mine this morning in the workshop and it's got the rear mount still there but also had a side mount that looked a lot like the Hall Pantera kit as well? I'll have to get a photo up on the build thread I've got going on 1424 and get it checked.

M.
panterrorpanterrorMy 74 GTS
His original concept drawing suggested he was going to rework the lines/bodywork, particularly the front clip, which was probably a bit overdone IMO. It was a similar rendering to the Europa he did which was pretty nice I thought. However, the finished product doesn’t look like he altered anything to me except PB doors and side markers. –Pretty much classic Pantera with a nice stance. The wheels are a unique and personalized touch but given that’s about it as far as Foose styling cues, it’s kind of interesting it gets his name on the side though. I was thinking maybe Tjaarda belonged there rather than Foose.

…and upon edit I’d add that given Foose has the imagination, talent, and means to radically alter and create cars to suit his mind’s eye, he must have decided it was hard to improve on Tjaarda’s original design….quite the compliment really.

Best,
K
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1973pantera1973panteraPantera # 5181
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Originally posted by Panterror:
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Originally posted by ktmike:
Here you go:
http://www.mustangandfords.com...a-2015-in-las-vegas/

Mike


The story at the link says it has a rebuilt 351 Windsor "...and it has a 351 Windsor engine. He wanted to maintain the integrity of the car, Jacobs added" but shows a 351c installed. Roll Eyes
Best,
K



Someone must have been listening; it was just corrected online in the article. Smiler
panterrorpanterrorMy 74 GTS
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Originally posted by 1973 Pantera: Someone must have been listening; it was just corrected online in the article. Smiler


They certainly did. I think there may have been one other reference to a 351W before the late model 302 comment that was also deleted. Hopefully it now not only reads correctly but as intended.

Now he just needs to become not so true to the original exhaust manifolds and get some proper GTS Pantera headers on there.

Just the same, nice to know Foose prefers the Pantera pretty much as designed for his own car. A nice member to have in the club.

Best,
K
garvinogarvinoMember
Earlier in this thread (page 7) was a posting of Chip Foose's Instagram post regarding the arrival of his new P7 tires.

You can see 305/35-VR15 on one tire. This is a 12 inch wide tire by my calculations which I would guess is a rear wheel on a narrow body Pantera.

However, to me the rear wheels of Foose's car at SEMA appear bigger than a 15" diameter. What does everyone else think? Anyone been at SEMA that could verify? I guess I could be all washed up.

Devin

P.S. I really like the way his car turned out - very classy. I especially like those wheels.
George PGeorge PAdmin.
Devin

I'm looking at the rear tires. The tire OD looks no more than 26" diameter because it is less than the wheel arch radius. The choices in modern tires with less than 26" OD is very limited. The tire's side wall looks no more than 3.5" tall. A 26" diameter tire with 3.5" sidewalls would be mounted on a 19" diameter wheel. On the other hand, that may be a 335/30R18 tire (25.9" diameter, 3.95" sidewalls).

By the way, the front wheel is smaller in diameter than the rear wheel. Doesn't it look bitchen? Also notice how the front wheel arch overhangs the top of the front tire.

Why can't the Pantera vendors offer wheels like that? Hopefully it won't be too long before someone does.

Chip has done a wonderful job! Very tasteful. Bravo to Mr. Foose.



By the way, I visited the various links posted here, and I used a search engine to look for more info regarding Mr. Foose's Pantera. As I did I couldn't help but be annoyed by the way other websites inundated me with ads, pop-ups, etc. I have to take a moment to plug our forums. We eschew all that crap, to give you an experience free of all that commercialism. Here each of you are considered family, its just me and Debbie hoping to break even.
garvinogarvinoMember
George,

Thanks for all the wisdom again. I also agree that the front wheel looks like a smaller diameter than the rear wheel. And yes it does look awesome. I would definitely like to own a set of those wheels.

Hopefully, someone that attends SEMA can get the size of the front and rear tires. I was also guessing 19's in the rear after all the wheel and tire combos I have looked at recently.

Devin

P.S. George & Debbie - thanks for all you do on the forum. I truly appreciate all your efforts.
O osofastMember
Kelly, when I read the article. It said Cleveland...they must have heard you......

“This is typical Foose work,” Jacobs said in his upbeat voice, “the wheels are larger, but they are his version of a Pantera wheel. It has subtle touches like the marker lights and the push-button door handles—and it has a 351 Cleveland engine. He wanted to maintain the integrity of the car,” Jacobs added
I love it. The bell housing painted to match the engine is a nice subtle touch. I wonder if he is running a front mounted condenser.
Jeff
garth66garth66"When speed is the only thing that counts"
Gorgeous! So glad he didn't "re-interpret" the Pantera, or shave the door handles like he usually does. Although it does need a set of side view mirrors (he usually deletes these on all the cars he does) but he'll realize they're necessary as soon as he takes it out for a drive and tries to make a lane change. And I love his re-interpretation of the Campy wheel - fresh, but hints at it's roots!

I never cease to be amazed at the crowd the Pantera draws anywhere it goes, be it SEMA, Concorso, a local car show, or the gas station. People LOVE the Pantera!
sjdennissjdennisMember
Chip did a superb job on keeping the original flavor and adding his own tweaks! Those wheels and the stance make the car IMO. The other mods are not far off of what others have done to their cars.

Hopefully he likes how it came out, and keeps it as his own! Anyone heard an interview or him speaking about it at SEMA? Should show up somewhere.

Beautiful Car!
panterachrispanterachrisMember
So glad to see the interest in the " Pro-builders " ranks, but I have seen much better builds from other owners, the Pantera is the most under appreciated mid engine Italian sports car ever panned by the media. It has been a long and winding 44 years for it's resurrection. The vindication of one of the most beautiful sports car ever created is evidenced by the reaction at ANY car show you might have ever participated in, and if we don't win first place at any show, we always win the trampled grass award.
lf-tp2511lf-tp2511Member
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we always win the trampled grass award.

Indeed.

After the Historics a few years ago, a fellow PCNC member said he had returned to our corral parking area mid-day and as he approached he noticed a group standing by a car in our corral. As he got closer, he noticed an F-40 had parked right next to my Pantera.

Guess what the group was looking at? Wink

Larry
panterachrispanterachrisMember
As a mater of fact, the Pantera with a production run of 25 years terminating in 1996, was only surpassed by the 911 for longevity of the original design. A vindication of the timeless design.
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Originally posted by Simon:
I think the Pantera's are into the same category as the Porsche 911 , from the first to the last build you see the original design.
Simon
J jb1490Member
The mufflers (sorry, I don't have a pic) were custom made by MagnaFlow, and tips don't extend as far aft as stock (might be a problem if the car is driven much)

Other noted items are the scripts on the rear of the car are chromed.

The license plate light assembly is chromed.

The deck lid opening is trimmed in metal (like the early 71's) and is chromed.

No exterior mirrors.

Door window frame is one piece (like the PB and a few early rectangular door handle cars).

Two spoke steering wheel.

John
garvinogarvinoMember
David,

Thanks for tire sizes and brand/model. I appreciate it.

And George - are you smiling because Chip Foose took a page out of your playbook for recommended tire sizes when running staggered 18" & 19" rims. I wonder if he used your offset recommendations too? If that is not why you are smiling - don't keep us in the dark.

Thanks again to the both of you for the information.

Devin
panterachrispanterachrisMember
I think it's obvious what Skip was shooting for, " What the Pantera should of looked like on it's release in 1971". This is achieved by Creating subtle changes
that add up to a slight change in the fit and finish of the final product. This understated approach is the goal on many of his projects. Skip's " orange diamond" interpretation would have had a much better "fit" at the Lincoln Mercury dealerships, due to it's elevated overall elegant look. That said, how about a "Shelby" edition?
dave2811dave2811Member
My buddy that works at Foose Design gave me a heads up that the wheels can be purchased from MHT as a custom order. They are 3 piece design so you can specify the width and offset. Chip used 18 x 9 front and 19 x 11 rear. As mentioned before, the tires were 245/35-18 & 325/30-19. I imagine they could custom coat them too if you don't want gold centers.

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