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I used to check this site regularly when I was looking for a Pantera. At any given time I would find 5 or 6 cars for sale. I just checked it today and there are 20 Panteras for sale! At the bottom is a group 4 In Kentucky at a price that seems WAY too good to be true!

Here is the website address:
http://ww2.collectorcartraderonline.com/searchresults.php

A link to the group 4:
http://adcache.collectorcartraderonline.com/10/6/6/87472466.htm
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I think it may be a fact of a) prices moving upward and people realizing what they have stashed away in their garage and b) more publicity for the Pantera of late and sellers hoping theer is more demand.

Of course both factors actually mean these people should be hanging on to what they have, but there seems to be so many Panteras that just never get driven. If they don't drive it then yes they should sell it to someone who will. Around here (Reno-Tahoe) there are aroud 25 P cars and I only ever see 6-8 of those on a regular basis.
I was with Rick when he looked at the KY car. The guy had bought it several years ago with the intention of rebuilding it. Bought some parts (new radiator, new fans, etc) but now need some cash. Was selling it for what he paid for it and included the parts. It was definitely rough. The conversion wasn't too bad but unfortunately the previous owner had installed a sunroof.
There are thousands of Panteras out there. There are only a few hundred people who want to own them badly enough to put sweat equity. An enterprizing and energetic young man would buy up those old rust buckets and sell the parts to those of us who want them and turn a tidy profit in doing so.
So says the DeTom, oracle of Pantera futures.
Keep in mind that there's asking prices and there's selling prices. There are some very nice cars out there that owners are asking $60k for and have been for sale for close to a year. As for the cars for sale on collectorcartrader.com most have been there a while also.
Doesn't look like values are going up to me.
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An enterprizing and energetic young man would buy up those old rust buckets and sell the parts to those of us who want them and turn a tidy profit in doing so.
So says the DeTom, oracle of Pantera futures.

One of my 'win the lottery' fantasies is I'd buy every rust bucket pantera I could find, ship them to my central warehouse where I'd have a full time mechanic/caretaker whose job would be to catalog/remove/restore all pieces each car had.

Some cars would only be donating the hard suspension pieces, others could have useable interiors. Some might only be good for a few body panels and others in solid condition but lacking interiors/drivetrains could be stripped and sold as rolling chassis for the poor souls that find their dream car purchase is rusted beyond repair.

Of course, those customers would be shipping their rust bucket back to the warehouse to continue the cycle.

I'd also be buying everything offered on ebay.

Wouldn't be so much a $$$ thing but a benefactor role to the Family.

Of course, I'd also have a GRP 4 conversion, and a GT5S, and a dedicated track car, and a.... Wink

Just dreamin on a Friday night before pulling the carb and intake tomorrow to try to track down my oil consumption issue.

Larry (a quart every 300 miles is bit much)
Ahh Larry, that win the lottery fantasy is my favorite. In fact we buy a lottery ticket every week.
I have played this in my head so often it has actualy become refined. I don't win hundreds of millions, but like ten to twenty million. I send my car to one of the Pantera shops and have all of the repairs that I want done to it until it is a brand spanking new 1973 euro-GTS. Then I buy one of those totaly rusted out cars that no one wants and I make a mold from it to make an all carbon fiber body to build my ultimate track Pantera with. On it I would incorporate all of my ideas that are insanely expensive. I would not build it to any santioning body specification because for the last twenty years all they have done is make up rules to make race cars slower. Like take for instance the fact that the factory Corvette Z06 has more horsepower than the LeMans racer. Yeah, embarrasing isn't it?? So I would rent a track all by myself to race and tell sanctioning bodies to go take a flying leap. I would create the worlds only unlimited race car.
I went to see this car a couple of weeks ago. The car looks good from a distance. But upon closer inspection the car has some issues. The entire car vibrates when driving...to the point where it is difficult to see out of rear view mirror because it shakes so much while driving. Some fluid leaks. Probable rust on bottom door panels that has been painted over. Body lines reveal the car has been whacked on the side and repainted.The engine runs weak. My stock BMW X5 is much faster. 58k definitely way too high IMO.
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I went to see this car a couple of weeks ago. The car looks good from a distance. But upon closer inspection the car has some issues. The entire car vibrates when driving...to the point where it is difficult to see out of rear view mirror because it shakes so much while driving. Some fluid leaks. Probable rust on bottom door panels that has been painted over. Body lines reveal the car has been whacked on the side and repainted.The engine runs weak. My stock BMW X5 is much faster. 58k definitely way too high IMO.

No David, 58 was for a different car. The car at the begining of the thread was only $27K. The thread had digressed by the time the 58K figure was being bandied about.
DeTom, yes you are right; the original thread was about a 27k Pantera. I noticed the message from 4NHOTROD who was wondering why the current bid of 58k for the Pantera on eBay made the car worth that much,and my comment was about that car. I guess you could say I was continuing the digression from the original topic.
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Originally posted by David in Tujunga:
DeTom, yes you are right; the original thread was about a 27k Pantera. I noticed the message from 4NHOTROD who was wondering why the current bid of 58k for the Pantera on eBay made the car worth that much,and my comment was about that car. I guess you could say I was continuing the digression from the original topic.

OMG, you were saying those things about the yellow car?? Man looks can be decieving. That car looked great in the photos. Holy cow, you can't go by anything anymore.
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I figure that a well sorted car could be had for $40k. What makes this car worth the current bid of $58k? Kinda high, no?


There are a couple of fen.... phenomen.... things that happen on Ebay;
1. Ebay tells you beforehand when your next bid will meet reserve and as this car has a high 'Buy It Now' it equally has a high reserve which has not been met at the current bid. What happens is bidders bid it up to just under the reserve for the hell of it, knowing full well they don't have to buy it.
2. This practice is made even easier now by the recent changes to protect yoru identity where you are assigned a Bidder # rather than your user ID, so no one except the seller knows who you are.
3. Another common one is to list an item with no reserve and then the seller pulls the auction for 'wrong description' or 'sold locally' if he doesn't like where the bidding is with just over 24 hours to go. I'ver seen this happen to a number of items I've been watching and then they re-appear at some later date.

That's why when researching prices on Ebay through 'completed items' I take no notice of bids on items not sold, only those that actually sold. I just wish Ebay would let me search 'sold items' only.

Julian
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I figure that a well sorted car could be had for $40k. What makes this car worth the current bid of $58k? Kinda high, no?

There are a couple of fen.... phenomen.... things that happen on Ebay;
1. Ebay tells you beforehand when your next bid will meet reserve and as this car has a high 'Buy It Now' it equally has a high reserve which has not been met at the current bid. What happens is bidders bid it up to just under the reserve for the hell of it, knowing full well they don't have to buy it.


I stand corrected, it has now hit $60K and met reserve!
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