Looking for info on this, I may have lost my gear pin for the gear, need to remove, who has the remedy to plug & drive the oil pump off the cam ?
Any info and photo's would be appreciated.
Thanks Mark
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Mark,
George covered this recently. Scroll down to "Ignition Systems".
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/...50045562/m/319104265
http://www.distributorless.com...s/directignition.php
Did you have problems on the way home Friday night?
John
George covered this recently. Scroll down to "Ignition Systems".
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/...50045562/m/319104265
http://www.distributorless.com...s/directignition.php
Did you have problems on the way home Friday night?
John
Any vehicle (such as the Pantera) which supplies current directly to the ignition through the ignition switch MUST be rewired as shown below because dirty, oxidized or burned switch contacts will create a voltage drop across the ignition switch and limit the voltage and current supplied to the ignition.
A crankshaft triggered, wasted spark (4 coil) distributorless ignition system (DIS) more precisely fires the ignition coils each and every revolution of the crankshaft, the ignition timing is more consistent from cylinder to cylinder, all of the timing functions are set electronically and operate perfectly forever, there is nothing mechanical to wear out or service. Unlike single coil distributor ignitions in which performance falls off at high RPM a DIS provides full spark energy at any real-world engine speed. With a DIS there is no spark scatter, no cross-firing and no misfiring.
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(I) Ford EDIS-8 ignition system
The least expensive way to build a distributorless ignition is the Ford EDIS-8 because most of the parts can be acquired at the wrecking yard. This ignition shall also appeal to those enthusiasts who prefer to use Ford parts. The donor vehicle is normally an early Ford Explorer with a 5.0 V8 because it will have the correct trigger wheel for a small block Ford.
Parts to acquire include:
35 tooth (36-1) trigger wheel
Trigger sensor including mounting fixture
Coil packs (2 each)
The EDIS-8 ignition module
MAP sensor (Manifold Absolute Pressure)
All associated wiring harnesses:
(A) The cable to connect the trigger sensor to the module,
(B) The cables to connect the coils to the module
(C) The cable to connect the MAP sensor to the module
(D) The cable to connect the module to vehicle power
A Mega Jolt Lite Jr controller to work in conjunction with the EDIS-8 module replacing the functions of the EEC IV engine management computer. It allows the user to adjust the ignition timing parameters. The controller is configured via software using a laptop computer. Among its features are an external hard rev-limiting circuit and user selection of how much ignition timing advance is utilized during starting.
Find the Mega Jolt website at www.autosportlabs.net
Ford EDIS-8 Ignition System and Mega Jolt Lite Jr controller
Fabricate an “oil pump driver/distributor hole plug” utilizing any Ford 351C/351M/400/429/460 distributor.
Utilize Ford Racing Perf Parts FMS-M-12259-M302 universal 9mm wire kit and 8 each Boost Engineering EDIS Coil Spark Plug Wire Conversion Kits
Utilize Autolite Racing AR24 plugs (iron heads)
Install the trigger wheel, mount the sensor, adjust the sensor, install the wiring, mount the module, controller and coils, plug the components into the harness, and program the controller
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(II) Electromotive Engine Controls XDi ignition system
The Electromotive Engine Controls XDi ignition system features a 58 tooth trigger (60-2) wheel for greater timing accuracy and the ignition module is configured via switches and potentiometers, no software or computer is used when configuring the ignition. If you prefer using a laptop Electromotive offers the XDi-2 module #016-60000. XDi computes the exact dwell to produce 9 amps of coil current. Coil charging is measured dynamically, so changes in RPM, battery voltage, or temperature are all accounted for on every spark. The module includes a rev limiter and a starting circuit to assist motors that are difficult to crank. The system been on the market since 1987, it has been installed on several Panteras and as far as I know the reliability is solid. The list of components includes:
Electromotive XDi Ignition System components
6 Inch, 58 tooth (60-2) trigger wheel #220-72660
Magnetic sensor #255-72218
Universal Sensor Bracket #210-72711
DFU (coil packs), 2 each, #070-33400
XDI ignition module #016-50000
Additional DFU cable #016-50200
MAP sensor #71110 for vacuum advance (optional)
Fabricate an “oil pump driver/distributor hole plug” utilizing any Ford 351C/351M/400/429/460 distributor.
Utilize Ford Racing Perf Parts FMS-M-12259-M302 universal 9mm wire kit
Utilize Autolite Racing AR24 plugs (iron heads)
Install the trigger wheel, mount the sensor, adjust the sensor, install the wiring, mount the module and coil packs, plug the components into the harness, and program the controller.
Example of an “oil pump driver/distributor hole plug” fabricated from a distributor
-G
A crankshaft triggered, wasted spark (4 coil) distributorless ignition system (DIS) more precisely fires the ignition coils each and every revolution of the crankshaft, the ignition timing is more consistent from cylinder to cylinder, all of the timing functions are set electronically and operate perfectly forever, there is nothing mechanical to wear out or service. Unlike single coil distributor ignitions in which performance falls off at high RPM a DIS provides full spark energy at any real-world engine speed. With a DIS there is no spark scatter, no cross-firing and no misfiring.
_______________________________________________________
(I) Ford EDIS-8 ignition system
The least expensive way to build a distributorless ignition is the Ford EDIS-8 because most of the parts can be acquired at the wrecking yard. This ignition shall also appeal to those enthusiasts who prefer to use Ford parts. The donor vehicle is normally an early Ford Explorer with a 5.0 V8 because it will have the correct trigger wheel for a small block Ford.
Parts to acquire include:
35 tooth (36-1) trigger wheel
Trigger sensor including mounting fixture
Coil packs (2 each)
The EDIS-8 ignition module
MAP sensor (Manifold Absolute Pressure)
All associated wiring harnesses:
(A) The cable to connect the trigger sensor to the module,
(B) The cables to connect the coils to the module
(C) The cable to connect the MAP sensor to the module
(D) The cable to connect the module to vehicle power
A Mega Jolt Lite Jr controller to work in conjunction with the EDIS-8 module replacing the functions of the EEC IV engine management computer. It allows the user to adjust the ignition timing parameters. The controller is configured via software using a laptop computer. Among its features are an external hard rev-limiting circuit and user selection of how much ignition timing advance is utilized during starting.
Find the Mega Jolt website at www.autosportlabs.net
Ford EDIS-8 Ignition System and Mega Jolt Lite Jr controller
Fabricate an “oil pump driver/distributor hole plug” utilizing any Ford 351C/351M/400/429/460 distributor.
Utilize Ford Racing Perf Parts FMS-M-12259-M302 universal 9mm wire kit and 8 each Boost Engineering EDIS Coil Spark Plug Wire Conversion Kits
Utilize Autolite Racing AR24 plugs (iron heads)
Install the trigger wheel, mount the sensor, adjust the sensor, install the wiring, mount the module, controller and coils, plug the components into the harness, and program the controller
_____________________________________________________________
(II) Electromotive Engine Controls XDi ignition system
The Electromotive Engine Controls XDi ignition system features a 58 tooth trigger (60-2) wheel for greater timing accuracy and the ignition module is configured via switches and potentiometers, no software or computer is used when configuring the ignition. If you prefer using a laptop Electromotive offers the XDi-2 module #016-60000. XDi computes the exact dwell to produce 9 amps of coil current. Coil charging is measured dynamically, so changes in RPM, battery voltage, or temperature are all accounted for on every spark. The module includes a rev limiter and a starting circuit to assist motors that are difficult to crank. The system been on the market since 1987, it has been installed on several Panteras and as far as I know the reliability is solid. The list of components includes:
Electromotive XDi Ignition System components
6 Inch, 58 tooth (60-2) trigger wheel #220-72660
Magnetic sensor #255-72218
Universal Sensor Bracket #210-72711
DFU (coil packs), 2 each, #070-33400
XDI ignition module #016-50000
Additional DFU cable #016-50200
MAP sensor #71110 for vacuum advance (optional)
Fabricate an “oil pump driver/distributor hole plug” utilizing any Ford 351C/351M/400/429/460 distributor.
Utilize Ford Racing Perf Parts FMS-M-12259-M302 universal 9mm wire kit
Utilize Autolite Racing AR24 plugs (iron heads)
Install the trigger wheel, mount the sensor, adjust the sensor, install the wiring, mount the module and coil packs, plug the components into the harness, and program the controller.
Example of an “oil pump driver/distributor hole plug” fabricated from a distributor
-G
Can crankshaft triggered ignition be used with a gear driven camshaft?
Mark
Mark
Thanks George, just what I needed!
John, yes, I think I lost the timing chain though, I pulled the distributer and it looks OK so I will be going deeper.
I hope the cam just jumped a couple teeth other wise the new engine will be going in ?
Mark
John, yes, I think I lost the timing chain though, I pulled the distributer and it looks OK so I will be going deeper.
I hope the cam just jumped a couple teeth other wise the new engine will be going in ?
Mark
quote:Originally posted by ehpantera:
Can crankshaft triggered ignition be used with a gear driven camshaft?
Mark
Yes
-G
Well its the original timing chain and gears!
Good news though, the block is a 4 bolt main, pretty happy about that and I picked up a melling timing chain set new for $8.00 at PepBoys.
The Edelbrock Water Pump was leaking too.
Trying to put it together for a poker run on the 26th with San Diego Pantera's
Good news though, the block is a 4 bolt main, pretty happy about that and I picked up a melling timing chain set new for $8.00 at PepBoys.
The Edelbrock Water Pump was leaking too.
Trying to put it together for a poker run on the 26th with San Diego Pantera's
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Hi Mark,
Good to hear that it wasn't something more serious. Some NAPA stores carry the Edlebrock HV water pump, but at a higher price than Summit. You should be able to get one from Summit in a couple of days (they show a ship date of Monday, 6/21).
See you on the 26th.
John
Good to hear that it wasn't something more serious. Some NAPA stores carry the Edlebrock HV water pump, but at a higher price than Summit. You should be able to get one from Summit in a couple of days (they show a ship date of Monday, 6/21).
See you on the 26th.
John
John,
I have a new Edelbrock Pp sitting on the shelf, most of the time is being spent on cleaning and reassembly, warranting no surprises I should make Saturday.
I have a question? Are the old Pumps worth rebuilding?
Mark
I have a new Edelbrock Pp sitting on the shelf, most of the time is being spent on cleaning and reassembly, warranting no surprises I should make Saturday.
I have a question? Are the old Pumps worth rebuilding?
Mark
quote:Originally posted by SICK CAT:
....and I picked up a melling timing chain set new for $8.00 at PepBoys.
That would worry the crap out of me, what sort of quality do you get for $8?
Julian
Mark,
I'd be a bit concerned about the missing plastic coating on the gear. Look for that piece of plastic that is missing. I had the same thing happen on an old 289 and the plastic piece ended up in my oil pump gears locked up and spun the oil drive shaft until it snapped.
I'd be a bit concerned about the missing plastic coating on the gear. Look for that piece of plastic that is missing. I had the same thing happen on an old 289 and the plastic piece ended up in my oil pump gears locked up and spun the oil drive shaft until it snapped.
Mark,
I've never tried to rebuild one, but if the parts are available at a reasonable price, it might be worth doing for a backup.
John
I've never tried to rebuild one, but if the parts are available at a reasonable price, it might be worth doing for a backup.
John
quote:That would worry the crap out of me, what sort of quality do you get for $8?
Julian,
I'll bet that's a typo and should be $80.00.
John
Nope, its $8.00, you have heard of Melling Oil Pumps, well this is a timing chain set. Pepboys is not going to offer this brand anymore probably cause its got the unpopular Made in USA on it, so it was a last one price and no I am not worried one ioda.
Mark
Mark