I'd absolutely recommend getting the diagram but be prepared to make some modifications to match your vehicle! (I assume the factory wiring evolved in areas with time and not sure when the diagram was made). Worst feature is the tiny size - I had it enlarged to 3 x 5' which helps a lot. All in all PLENTY of confusing and/or incorrect details, and wire colors are not noted. That said, the only part that was totally missing was the emergency flash relay, which on my car is under the dash, beside the horn relay. Still, a huge help!
Oops, one other thing poorly addressed is the Carello relays near the fuse panel. It's as if the feed side of the fuse panel got cut off the diagram....no feeds shown at all. If you have questions there I'll try to help! Regards, Nate
I have a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a bad copy.....
.....obviously early....as none of the Carello relays adjacent to the fuse panel are shown!
But that aside....it is somewhat functional at least in Italian as "a suggestion"!
Steve
.....obviously early....as none of the Carello relays adjacent to the fuse panel are shown!
But that aside....it is somewhat functional at least in Italian as "a suggestion"!
Steve
WELLIS.
It is good to see these De Tomaso books coming out.
Have you seen my book, BELLA MANGUSTA?
Dick Ruzzin
It is good to see these De Tomaso books coming out.
Have you seen my book, BELLA MANGUSTA?
Dick Ruzzin
Steve, just to finish on skid plate...Our friend '696 (the gold car in Miami...really does seem to be a nice car) has a clear pic on skid plate mounting...I think I've seen others make this notch for the drain plug.
Nate, for me the hardest thing about the Schematic was dealing with the "2 halves" (where one page has a displaced gap with the other). Good news, the car is simple enough.
Dick, yeah, our family has 2 copies of Bella 
Lee
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(and apologize in advance to Floridans for my ignorance that Lutz is not Miami --Lee
--LeeAm prepping for engine stand run of rebuilt motor and plan to use rebuilt radiator to test it. The picture shows a port at the top circled in red that was connected to the overflow tank in the engine bay since I've had the car
The bottom red circled port has been blocked off since I've had the car.
What is the correct connections for the coolant going into the radiator other than the main coolant input coming in from the thermostat housing? Should I be running the hose from the overflow tank to the top port (way the car has been for years) on the radiator, or the bottom port (blocked off for years) on the radiator?
Thanx
Mark
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Mark,
I ran the top connection on my expansion tank to the small connection on the front "Y" Pipe off of the thermostat housing.
The lower expansion tank connection went up to my small connection on the radiator, where-ever it was..... I believe it was at the bottom....
My diagram I posted showed originally the lower connection on the expansion tank tied into the crazy hoses that were the heater shut-off valve circuits. I believe you said that you weren't running a heater???
For testing just connect the main large connections and don't worry about the small stuff. Connect it like it was in a regular Ford! Keep the radiator high enuf to be the "top tank" in a normal car, and just watch the water via the radiator cap there! Keep it simple!!!!
Make some noise!!!!!
Steve
I ran the top connection on my expansion tank to the small connection on the front "Y" Pipe off of the thermostat housing.
The lower expansion tank connection went up to my small connection on the radiator, where-ever it was..... I believe it was at the bottom....
My diagram I posted showed originally the lower connection on the expansion tank tied into the crazy hoses that were the heater shut-off valve circuits. I believe you said that you weren't running a heater???
For testing just connect the main large connections and don't worry about the small stuff. Connect it like it was in a regular Ford! Keep the radiator high enuf to be the "top tank" in a normal car, and just watch the water via the radiator cap there! Keep it simple!!!!
Make some noise!!!!!
Steve
Hi Mark, regarding connections everything I have showing 'stock' plumbing has the small connection low on the radiator going to the lefthand "Y" fitting near the header tank & the lefthand heater valve. Good luck w/ the tests! Regards, Nate
As I get ready to cleanup/rewire the 48 yr old wiring, was wondering someone might provide what the attached relays are and the wiring going into them. Have wiring diagram from Hall, but can't seem to find these relays on the diagram.
Thanx
Mark
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Mark,
Alright! Progress!!!!
Re the relay above the AC condenser fan.....while the connectors from afar appear to perhaps be original style, I have no idea what it is for....unless it is for lights or the fan.
Follow the wires.
As for relays on factory wiring diag's, they are notably missing from copies that I have and what I have heard from others...... The two above/adjacent to the fuse panel are for AC, stuff under the dash..... and radiator fans if memory serves me. Carello....plastic housings....tend to "soften" with heat....!!! Keep some Bosch "relays on a tab" handy.... Don't forget to assure that your ground connector(s) to these relays are making good contact.....thru thick insulation!
Ok, second relay....if this is on RH wall of engine compartment, I would bet that this is a voltage regulator of sorts.
Get numbers off of the cases of both....and you can likely find new replacements! The regulator came in two sizes....20A and 30A or 30-40.....and were paired with the Bosch alternator size....(current).....
These voltage reg's showed up on VW's and others...... IF that is what is is.
Mine was mounted wiring connectors down.....opposite of yours.......
Gobble gobble!!!!
Steve
Alright! Progress!!!!
Re the relay above the AC condenser fan.....while the connectors from afar appear to perhaps be original style, I have no idea what it is for....unless it is for lights or the fan.
Follow the wires.
As for relays on factory wiring diag's, they are notably missing from copies that I have and what I have heard from others...... The two above/adjacent to the fuse panel are for AC, stuff under the dash..... and radiator fans if memory serves me. Carello....plastic housings....tend to "soften" with heat....!!! Keep some Bosch "relays on a tab" handy.... Don't forget to assure that your ground connector(s) to these relays are making good contact.....thru thick insulation!
Ok, second relay....if this is on RH wall of engine compartment, I would bet that this is a voltage regulator of sorts.
Get numbers off of the cases of both....and you can likely find new replacements! The regulator came in two sizes....20A and 30A or 30-40.....and were paired with the Bosch alternator size....(current).....
These voltage reg's showed up on VW's and others...... IF that is what is is.
Mine was mounted wiring connectors down.....opposite of yours.......
Gobble gobble!!!!
Steve
Mark, the relay in the back isn't original; the voltage regulator (2nd [pic) was used on Mercedes and Porsche 914, check Bosch #30-051 or 0 190 601 006 (I have no idea if these are 20A or otherwise as Steve mentions). These are available as aftermarket, and probably won't take too long even to find NOS.
The fan relays Steve mentions were Carello, 22.900.000 . I haven't been able to find these anywhere...Lee
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Lee, good pic's!
If you burn up one of these Carello units, the BOSCH "block" relays work fine. Best is the ones with the mounting tab on them. They come in two flavors, 30 and 40amp. 30's should be sufficient for these cars, excepting some aftermarket fans!
Steve
If you burn up one of these Carello units, the BOSCH "block" relays work fine. Best is the ones with the mounting tab on them. They come in two flavors, 30 and 40amp. 30's should be sufficient for these cars, excepting some aftermarket fans!
Steve
Thanx Steve/Lee, appreciate it. I'll make voltage regulator disappear as I have installed small racing alternator on front of motor since I pulled jackshaft/generator/A/C to accommodate Weber IDA intake.
Once I get car back from paint, I'll some sleuthing to figure what rear relay might be. Right now, am just building engine test stand wiring so that rear relay isn't a player.
Fan wise, I replaced my radiator fans with two 1500 cfm Zirgo's and used a couple of Bosch relays.
Mark
Once I get car back from paint, I'll some sleuthing to figure what rear relay might be. Right now, am just building engine test stand wiring so that rear relay isn't a player.
Fan wise, I replaced my radiator fans with two 1500 cfm Zirgo's and used a couple of Bosch relays.
Mark
(Just adding a pic of the Bosch relay Steve mentions, must have been Hall that provided these ~30 years ago...!)--Lee
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quote:Originally posted by LeeA:
(Just adding a pic of the Bosch relay Steve mentions, must have been Hall that provided these ~30 years ago...!)--Lee
Thats a turn indicater relais ,this is not what Steve mentions.
Simon
Simon, funny, my brother put them on 30 years ago after getting them from Hall...even his German should be good enough to recognize "warnblinkgeber" (but shows how long the car hasn't been run...!). Could this have been a re-use of the Bosch box (as done here http://www.pantera-electronics...signal%20flasher.htm ) ? I'm about 10,000 miles from the car for a few months, will be eager to open up the can...! Lee
This is one of the cube relays..... in a completely different application....but you can see the mounting tab! There is a socket installed on this one.....which could be potentially used in the Goose, but not necessary.....unless all of your connectors are toast and need replacing anyway!
S