We've decided that the move will be to Las Vegas within two years. Does Las Vegas have emissions laws that will affect my Pantera there? This and any advise from Las Vegas locals will be greatly appreciated!
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here is the link to the Nevada DMV:
http://www.dmvnv.com/emission.htm
FYI, vehicles 1975, or older, are exempt from emissions testing in the State of CA.
http://www.dmvnv.com/emission.htm
FYI, vehicles 1975, or older, are exempt from emissions testing in the State of CA.
Dennis, Nevada is a good choice. Nevada has no state income tax. Compared to California where it was just raised to 10.3% !!! I plan on setting up permanent residence in Las Vegas or Lake Tahoe Nevada when the time is right. Chuck
You will need to get your cars smogged, but you won't have to modify them.
I don't know what challenges your cars will have. Are they stock? Mine is incredibly NOT stock and getting it smogged is a problem every year.
If your cars WILL pass smog, you can get Classic Car plates that don't require yearly emissions testing. There is a milage limit...maybe 2500 miles?
- Robert
I don't know what challenges your cars will have. Are they stock? Mine is incredibly NOT stock and getting it smogged is a problem every year.
If your cars WILL pass smog, you can get Classic Car plates that don't require yearly emissions testing. There is a milage limit...maybe 2500 miles?
- Robert
Dennis,
Noooooooooo....not Vegas, anywhere but Vegas man! Great to visit, but living there you'd go nuts.
Washoe (Reno) and Clark (Vegas) Counties require annual smog on all '68 and later vehicles (this is fixed not rolling). You'll struggle to get a stock Pantera to pass let alone a modified. Neither of my Pantera's is registered in Washoe County. Even opting for the classic plates you still have to pass a bi-annual smog and prove less than 2500 miles.
I'd consider somewhere else altogether.....or if it has to be Nevada set up in a slightly more rural area outside Clark or Wahsoe counties. 30 miles south of Reno and you are in the Carson Valley and no smog.
If you want to stay further south I'd look slightly further east into Utah and the St George area. Further south still and Phoenix is 1000% better than Vegas.
Noooooooooo....not Vegas, anywhere but Vegas man! Great to visit, but living there you'd go nuts.
Washoe (Reno) and Clark (Vegas) Counties require annual smog on all '68 and later vehicles (this is fixed not rolling). You'll struggle to get a stock Pantera to pass let alone a modified. Neither of my Pantera's is registered in Washoe County. Even opting for the classic plates you still have to pass a bi-annual smog and prove less than 2500 miles.
I'd consider somewhere else altogether.....or if it has to be Nevada set up in a slightly more rural area outside Clark or Wahsoe counties. 30 miles south of Reno and you are in the Carson Valley and no smog.
If you want to stay further south I'd look slightly further east into Utah and the St George area. Further south still and Phoenix is 1000% better than Vegas.
NV smog laws vary on the county. Clark and Washoe (Las Vegas and Reno) both have smog requirements. But local counties may not. For example, in Carson City (30m south of Reno) there are no smog requirements.
You need to setup a mailbox in a county that does not have such requirements. A post box that represents itself as a physical address is perfect (avoid PO Box numbers). Family or friends house is even better. The trick is getting the PO box company to reforward the mail to your local address so you get the renewal data. The car's registration must be in that county. Sometimes they check the Drivers License address against the registration which might require you to go to the DMV office to register. If you have to go to an office, they might ask a question or two on why the difference in addresses. mumble something like having to "commute for a job", or a recent divorce and they will issue you the reg. They do check for DL address against car registration address, but my experience is that they are lax on hard enforcement. It might create a few extra visits to the local Las Vegas DMV office, but in the end they comply. Heck getting the revenue is more important then claiming the car “inop” and not getting any income for the county/state.
NV also has a classic car plate and noted earlier. You need to get the car smogged "offically" once. Then you do not have to smog again. You are limited to 2500 miles per year, and I think required to visit the DMV in person to confirm the odometer each year.
NV also requires all out of state cars to undergo a DMV inspection. A DMV inspector over looks the car. Basics saftey items (wipers, horn, lights and vin numbers) are checked. A hassle, but only done only on the initial registration.
There is one other catch that the police like to exploit. An “out of state’er” who claims a NV living address has something like 60 days to apply for a license and register their cars. The cops look for "out of state plates" that seem like locals and target them. I know of many new people to the area who fell into this trap. The states wants its pound of flesh so they jump on the new comers.
Closer, the NV DMV has not a clue to the value of a Pantera. So low ball them. Ego's aside, when they ask for a value go low.
You need to setup a mailbox in a county that does not have such requirements. A post box that represents itself as a physical address is perfect (avoid PO Box numbers). Family or friends house is even better. The trick is getting the PO box company to reforward the mail to your local address so you get the renewal data. The car's registration must be in that county. Sometimes they check the Drivers License address against the registration which might require you to go to the DMV office to register. If you have to go to an office, they might ask a question or two on why the difference in addresses. mumble something like having to "commute for a job", or a recent divorce and they will issue you the reg. They do check for DL address against car registration address, but my experience is that they are lax on hard enforcement. It might create a few extra visits to the local Las Vegas DMV office, but in the end they comply. Heck getting the revenue is more important then claiming the car “inop” and not getting any income for the county/state.
NV also has a classic car plate and noted earlier. You need to get the car smogged "offically" once. Then you do not have to smog again. You are limited to 2500 miles per year, and I think required to visit the DMV in person to confirm the odometer each year.
NV also requires all out of state cars to undergo a DMV inspection. A DMV inspector over looks the car. Basics saftey items (wipers, horn, lights and vin numbers) are checked. A hassle, but only done only on the initial registration.
There is one other catch that the police like to exploit. An “out of state’er” who claims a NV living address has something like 60 days to apply for a license and register their cars. The cops look for "out of state plates" that seem like locals and target them. I know of many new people to the area who fell into this trap. The states wants its pound of flesh so they jump on the new comers.
Closer, the NV DMV has not a clue to the value of a Pantera. So low ball them. Ego's aside, when they ask for a value go low.
Vegas is the choice for several reasons. The first being real estate prices. They have and continue to crash. Because of the downturn in tourism, the City and State is raising the user fees and taxes like in California. Anyone who's been here knows what just normal food and stuff costs here. Our oil dependent electricity bill is three times higher than in Vegas. Everything's getting worse . . .so bad that I am moving away.
Las Vegas is called the 9th Hawaiian island because Hawaii people visit there so often and many have migrated there. Living there will still allow us to see family and friends as they visit the city several times a year.
I've been to Phoenix many a time and it sucks (no offense meant to anyone) I would never, ever consider moving there.
I really don't want the constant hassle of having to smog test my car which I know will not pass any emission control test. I never thought I'd say this but I may have to consider getting a more modern ride and putting the "kid" up for "adoption".
Thanks for the insight everyone!
Las Vegas is called the 9th Hawaiian island because Hawaii people visit there so often and many have migrated there. Living there will still allow us to see family and friends as they visit the city several times a year.
I've been to Phoenix many a time and it sucks (no offense meant to anyone) I would never, ever consider moving there.
I really don't want the constant hassle of having to smog test my car which I know will not pass any emission control test. I never thought I'd say this but I may have to consider getting a more modern ride and putting the "kid" up for "adoption".
Thanks for the insight everyone!
quote:Originally posted by 4NFORD:
Vegas is the choice for several reasons. The first being real estate prices.
Las Vegas is called the 9th Hawaiian island because Hawaii people visit there so often and many have migrated there. Living there will still allow us to see family and friends as they visit the city several times a year.
I really don't want the constant hassle of having to smog test my car which I know will not pass any emission control test. I never thought I'd say this but I may have to consider getting a more modern ride and putting the "kid" up for "adoption".
I love Vegas. And our houses ARE almost free now.
I am constantly amazed at the number of "Hawaiian Pride" and other Hawaiian window stickers I see in car windows. They are EVERYWHERE.
I, and several of my friends with highly modified cars have to deal with yearly smog on cars that won't pass. It cost me $200 to get my car smogged last year.
- Robert
quote:Originally posted by 4NFORD:
I really don't want the constant hassle of having to smog test my car which I know will not pass any emission control test. I never thought I'd say this but I may have to consider getting a more modern ride and putting the "kid" up for "adoption".
Hold on brah.
If worse comes to worse, we'll just have to put a 4300D & EGR back on your Pantera, I'll gladly donate my stuff, my whole motor if necessary. The tailpipe emissions test for a 1974 car is easy to pass, its the visual inspection that can be a problem. I can spec a 380 BHP motor that will pass a tailpipe inspection anywhere in the USA 24/7, I used to build 'em you know. A lot of '70s era California Pantera owners survived California's emissions testing. It can be done.
Steve (Rover LTD) had some good suggestions. I would also think that there must be some hot-rodder friendly smog test stations like there are here in California, or are they all state run? There's a smog station in Ventura where the operator overlooks the visual inspection as long as the car will pass the tailpipe test. A mail box in a non-smog county is a trick a lot of Californians use too. There's a lot of Pantera folks in the smog inspection free cities of Carson City & Minden.
I lived in Minden/Gardnerville (Douglas County) from 1993-1999 and never had to get my 1966 Corvette smoged! Not sure if Douglas County is the same today? No Smog? Nice place to live, been thinking about moving back and getting out of Mexifornia my self!
Good Luck
Curt
Good Luck
Curt
NV DMV are hot on the different address for car and driver's license now, as Steve says a physical address and not a mail box is required to satisfy them. Yes there are a lot of Pantera brethren living in the Carson, Minden area and probably a lot more Pantera's registered there 
NV DMV has an automated system with the smog machine connected direct to DMV, you don't even get a physical printout anymore of your results. But there's still ways to fool the machine if you find the right test station and dual exhausts makes for an easy oversight with one hose
Curt, the smog law doesn't apply to Douglas county, even in Washoe & Clark it's for '68 and newer so you never would have to have had the '66 Vette smogged anywhere in NV.
NV DMV has an automated system with the smog machine connected direct to DMV, you don't even get a physical printout anymore of your results. But there's still ways to fool the machine if you find the right test station and dual exhausts makes for an easy oversight with one hose
Curt, the smog law doesn't apply to Douglas county, even in Washoe & Clark it's for '68 and newer so you never would have to have had the '66 Vette smogged anywhere in NV.
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I, and several of my friends with highly modified cars have to deal with yearly smog on cars that won't pass. It cost me $200 to get my car smogged last year.
- Robert
Robert,
Did the $200 enable your car actually to pass the smog test or did the $200 juice the "paperwork" to show the car passed the smog test?
I will understand if you do not want to answer the question.
quote:Originally posted by four walling:
Robert,
Did the $200 enable your car actaully to pass the smog test or did the $200 juice the "paperwork" to show the car passed the smog test?
I will understand if you do not want to answer the question.
I dropped off the car. He called me two hours later to say it is done. Seemed to run a little differently when I picked it up, but I could have been imagining it. That is all the info I have. I don't ask questions of my smog guys.
- Robert