I didn't read through all 18 pages, so apologies if someone has already said this...
This is what Ford gets for discontinuing development of pushrod engines. Enthusiasts do not want physically larger/heavier/more complex engines (that often do not make any additional power).
I don't intend to hi-jack this thread, I just want to point out to Perry H and everyone that may be thinking of a crate engine that the LS9 crate engine is being phased-out. It was $26,403.00, the price has been lowered $5000, down to $21,403.00. So its an even better deal ... while supplies last as they say.
But the Ford guys have this Jack Roush supercharged 5.0 liter 600 bhp crate engine pictured below, based on Ford's Coyote engine. $24,675.00
Ford Racing sells a 351W based crate engine for $11,000, 4.150 bore x 4.250 stroke (460 cubic inches) rated at 575 horsepower; naturally aspirated with a single four barrel carburetor. Jack Roush has a 351W based $14,000 crate engine, 427 cubic inches, 550 horsepower, naturally aspirated with a single four barrel carburetor.
There is something for everybody.
But the Ford guys have this Jack Roush supercharged 5.0 liter 600 bhp crate engine pictured below, based on Ford's Coyote engine. $24,675.00
Ford Racing sells a 351W based crate engine for $11,000, 4.150 bore x 4.250 stroke (460 cubic inches) rated at 575 horsepower; naturally aspirated with a single four barrel carburetor. Jack Roush has a 351W based $14,000 crate engine, 427 cubic inches, 550 horsepower, naturally aspirated with a single four barrel carburetor.
There is something for everybody.
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quote:This is what Ford gets for discontinuing development of pushrod engines.....
It seems hard for me to believe that there is a single Ford executive anywhere who is concerned in any way about the new development occurring on a 45 year old chassis that they once sold through their LM dealerships...
I think you are absolutely correct.
No Ford executives (key word there) care about aftermarket enthusiasts swapping LS engines into projects (not just Panteras) that previously would have had small block Fords in them.
No Ford executives (key word there) care about aftermarket enthusiasts swapping LS engines into projects (not just Panteras) that previously would have had small block Fords in them.
Sorry for derailing your thread with my gripe. I was actually cheering you on - really nice job. I think this (LS9 Pantera) is an awesome project. I think the choice makes a lot of sense over a modern Ford engine.
Referring to the picture. The one on the right has more displacement.
I know which one I would rather work on and try to fit in an engine compartment. The photo is a 4.6L DOHC and a 302, but a new Coyote is not much narrower than the 4.6 and a 351 is not much wider that a 302 (relatively in the context of this physical comparison).
This certainly is not a huge market that makes or breaks a giant corporation. But... if the decision is made objectively (without loyalty to a certain brand or considering past partnerships) modern (note "modern") engines transplanted into older cars, kit cars, race cars, etc., going forward will mostly be GM products due to packaging except for the most die hard Ford guys that go to the extra trouble and frustration. Most (like me) will probably stick with running the 60's era push rods instead.
Ford transitioned to the OHC engines around 1996. These are almost certainly more expensive to produce - not to mention the R&D invested. What did it get them? Refinement? For pickup trucks, vans, and Mustangs? Ability to meet emissions and efficiency regulations? GM seems to have that covered.
Ok - sorry again. I am done. Awesome car.
Referring to the picture. The one on the right has more displacement.
I know which one I would rather work on and try to fit in an engine compartment. The photo is a 4.6L DOHC and a 302, but a new Coyote is not much narrower than the 4.6 and a 351 is not much wider that a 302 (relatively in the context of this physical comparison).
This certainly is not a huge market that makes or breaks a giant corporation. But... if the decision is made objectively (without loyalty to a certain brand or considering past partnerships) modern (note "modern") engines transplanted into older cars, kit cars, race cars, etc., going forward will mostly be GM products due to packaging except for the most die hard Ford guys that go to the extra trouble and frustration. Most (like me) will probably stick with running the 60's era push rods instead.
Ford transitioned to the OHC engines around 1996. These are almost certainly more expensive to produce - not to mention the R&D invested. What did it get them? Refinement? For pickup trucks, vans, and Mustangs? Ability to meet emissions and efficiency regulations? GM seems to have that covered.
Ok - sorry again. I am done. Awesome car.
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I may have spoken to you a couple if years ago. I asked if you had very good traction and you said that you did not have any! You need the new C8 transmission, the eighth wonder of the world. Chevrolet engines consistantly throughout the years are smaller, lighter and less expensive than Fords. And, the hurtful thing, more powerful.
I love it, I have been driving the only LT79 powered Mangusta since 1979, built at the factory.
DICK RUZZIN
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@italford posted:how about an LS3 in a pre 75 Toyota truck. Tubbed of course LOLn
good luck with your ls swap.but its a sad day in the pantera community you dont deserve such car.
You guys are hashing up a two year old debate. I think this thread has played itself out unless Scott wishes to add an update etc.
I think an LS9, properly swapped into a Pantera (as I know this one is) would be AMAZING!
Rocky