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Painting procedure question

angelobangelobMember
I'm getting my car ready for paint and have been getting quotes from multiple painters. One of the questions I have been asking of the painter: Since I am going with a pearl paint, do you paint the car with all of the doors and hoods on, or do you prefer to paint the panels and doors separately from the car? The responses are almost split 50/50. The main reason I am told you should paint a pearl with the car together is for the paint to be more uniform across the panels that helps avoid deviations that occur from differing spray patterns.

Is there a real difference? Or is it just a painters preference? I have the car apart now and was going to rehang the doors and hoods to check alignments, just want to leave them on for the painter if that is the right procedure.

Thanks,
Angelo
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panteraufopanteraufoMember
Hi Angelo, This is really a painter's preference. It can be done either way. Some lighter shades will show more color shifting due to the orientation of the pearl but a good painter can adjust for that by spraying in a cross hatch pattern to help even out the pearl. This is the reason that you end up getting conflicting opinions on which way is better. In reality, a good painter will adjust his spray technique and either way will come out looking good.
kingkingMember
I can tell you that I have painted the last 5 panteras with pearl and the best way to do it is remove doors,trunk,hood and paint all the jams first. Then hang everything back on the car and shoot the car. You will get a perfect panel match this way. If you have ever seen any pantera we have restored you will see the paint is perfect. hope this helps, mike mayberry
T tomsealbeachMember
Anglo, This is a topic of interest....I would love to paint my car with pearl...but I have no experience painting with pearl paint, just solid colors. I will probably do the prep work and let a real pro spray it.

I would assume that if the doors are laid flat on saw horses or other similar stand for painting...vs. the front and rear fender panels on the car being in a vertical orientation when painted...you could get a different flow pattern when the paint goes on due to gravity? And yes I'm a novice at painting but can say I've seen the best painters get a run after spraying a smidge too much paint...never had a run on a horizontal surface. I think I'd do just what the King said.

When painting a Pearl do you just fog multiple light coats, then cover with a clear coat?
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quickittyquickittyMember
I tend to leave the doors on the car but remove the hood and deck lid.
With the doors on, I shoot the forward door jam (with a small Jam gun) before shooting the rest of the car. Then when shooting the body the first thing I do is go for the rest of the of the jams. By doing it this way there are no tape lines to sand or doctor up between the body and the jams, it is one solid flow. Another reason for this is when painting pearls blending together new paint with a previous painting can leave a "hazing or halo" effect that can be difficult to correct.
Hope that makes sense.
Every painter has their own way, this is just my preferance.
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angelobangelobMember
This board is great! Helps me make informed decisions and make fewer mistakes.

Been doing my research about the upcoming paint job. Was origionally thinking of painting it myself, but figure I'll do 90 percent of the prep since I keep changing my mind about little things like side marker lights, front turn signal assys, fender flares, and COLOR. Keep changing the color almost on a daily basis. Wish I had photoshop. Then I'll just hand it off to a painter that will let me help in the painting process. Gives him a free helper and I get a little learning done for the next project. I'm just trying to get the actual paint cost down a bit so I can stop saving and get her done. So far the painter cost seems to be hovering around the 3500.00 - 4000.00 labor cost plus supplies. That seem about right? Pretty much tears up my budget for other upgrades.

Anyhow...... Thanks for all the input!

Angelo
quickittyquickittyMember
Doing the prep work will save you big bucks as 90% of a good paint job is in the prep. That means you really need to go over the car with a fine tooth comb. On final wet sand, I can spend hours going over the car looking for high and low spots. I would say that if you have a highly qualified painter that will do a final prep, shoot the car, wet sand the clear and buff, (depending on what you are looking for) your labor costs are in line maybe even a little on the heavy side. If you are looking for full show, I have seen people pay double that but personally think that is nuts.
paint costs depend on the paint brand and color. I tend to use Matrix base with Chroma Clear 7900. This is not the most expensive paint but is pretty good quality. Again every painter has their preferance. Material cost on my orange pantera ended up just about $1,800 while my black pantera was about $1,200. I use a LOT of clear and clear is expensive, so my costs may be higher than yours.
Nobody likes to ask this of a painter, but is your painter willing to correct any flaws in any panels without any additional costs?
garth66garth66"When speed is the only thing that counts"
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Keep changing the color almost on a daily basis. Wish I had photoshop.

Not Photoshop, but will allow you to see some different colors.

Pantera color charts:
http://www.banzairunnerpantera.com/color_charts.htm

Pantera paint selector - I was hoping to add the ability to select/mix custom colors, but ran out of web design talent Frowner :
http://www.banzairunnerpantera.com/color_selector.htm
angelobangelobMember
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Originally posted by Quickitty:
Nobody likes to ask this of a painter, but is your painter willing to correct any flaws in any panels without any additional costs?


Gonna have to be, before I take it to whoever I am asking them to just take a ride out to the car and go over it before he gets it to paint. When it gets to that point tho, if it is close, I have no problem spending a little more for him to make any corrections just to get the car to him.

Actually, after all of the research I've done on this, I'm ALMOST tempted to paint it myself. Almost

Angelo
lastpushbuttonlastpushbuttonMember
Mr Mayberry is right on. I paint for my living. I've seen a lot of bad work too. When I do a pearl or any metallic color. I will have the car totally prepped, except for final sanding. Then, Pain the jambs, under hood deck, ect. Then when I final sand the exterior I will be removing any overspray that may have ecaped the jamb taping. I went to youtube a few weeks ago to view some paint videos... thinking I may pick up a tip or two. Almost all the videos were unexperiecd guys making a mess of everthing they did. Here is a link to my website where I painted and blended my pearl Caddilac. http://www.slickpaint.com/index.php?p=1_11&p2=2
lastpushbuttonlastpushbuttonMember
quote:
Originally posted by Quickitty:
Hi Bill
Do you prefer to leave the doors on the car when painting, or remove the doors before painting the body?
I think I avoid blending the pearls and metalics because I don't have your experiance
I know one painter that would not use tape... everything came apart...painted...put back... He gave up his business.. Some people would go to him because of the thought of perfection... In the real world... I can clean, schoth pad your jambes and paint them without nicking, or chipping.... if you want me to diss aseble.. that's extra.. If the car deserves it.. No problem.. I ain't taking the doors off your { car name here| Gary, You could make a living painting... but you gotta do more than one every 4 years! LOL just kidding.. I admire your work..Bill 1362
C coreypriceMember
quote:
Originally posted by Quickitty:
Doing the prep work will save you big bucks as 90% of a good paint job is in the prep. That means you really need to go over the car with a fine tooth comb. On final wet sand, I can spend hours going over the car looking for high and low spots. I would say that if you have a highly qualified painter that will do a final prep, shoot the car, wet sand the clear and buff, (depending on what you are looking for) your labor costs are in line maybe even a little on the heavy side. If you are looking for full show, I have seen people pay double that but personally think that is nuts.
paint costs depend on the paint brand and color. I tend to use Matrix base with Chroma Clear 7900. This is not the most expensive paint but is pretty good quality. Again every painter has their preferance. Material cost on my orange pantera ended up just about $1,800 while my black pantera was about $1,200. I use a LOT of clear and clear is expensive, so my costs may be higher than yours.
Nobody likes to ask this of a painter, but is your painter willing to correct any flaws in any panels without any additional costs?


My car goes in in a few months, and $1500 is what I was quoted on material costs, and the labor costs quoted are very close to what I've seen from some of the best painters.
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