Race Gas

As far as I know the only way to tell if its race gas is by dipping the tank and checking for dye. As to how they would know to dip the tank I have no idea.

Blaine

Blaine,

A word of cosmetic caution, my experience with this stuff is it leaves a residue all over the back of the car, making the paint do a chamelion like paint effect all in just a few miles. It does clean up easy, but a P.I.A.

Out here in NY they sell CAM2 100 octane out of the pump and a few SUNOCO stations and pump it in the car. The others are in a pump but they will only dispence into a can. The race gas runs cleaner.
Ron

There's a 76 station in Westchester that sells race fuel from the drum. It's on Lincoln about a mile north of LAX. There's another 76 station in Encino on Ventura Blvd. at Zelzah that sells it too. Costs are somewhere about $7.50/gallon or so (when it gets that expensive I just shut my eyes and sign the card). Both sell VP fuel. I'm told that you can buy race gas at Irwindale Speedway too but I've never been there and don't know their hours or prices. CA Speedway could be a source if you time it so that the station is open for a racing event.

I know of no non-racetrack places that sell 110 octane fuel out of the ground. The stuff degenerates so fast that even if there were such a place I'd stay far away from it.

Matt Merritt

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Originally posted by DOES 200:
In So. CA does anyone know of places to get race gas? I am looking for places with 110 octane. Also, if it is avaliable, can you just drive up and pump it in the car, or does it need to go into a seperate tank, like for the lawnmower . I hear it may be illegal to run it on the street, but how would anyone know otherwise to ticket you (if there is such a thing as getting a ticket for it). I know the white tail pipes may be a sign, but other than that?

Hum. The last time I asked I was told that 110 wasn't available.
I know that alot of race cars need it so I don't know how to get it.

Like Ron says, we can buy Cam2 unleaded, 100 octane in the pump in a couple of places.
I know that you can by BP, or could, in the drum in NJ but you had to pick it up and technically you can't transport it over the bridges.

That's a real problem since you can't get anywhere without crossing a bridge.

The purple leaded Cam2 Sunoco is usually at the racetrack and you buy it out of the back of the truck. I think it is 103 octane.

It's what used to be Sunoco 260 in the pump.

Your best bet is to buy it at a local racetrack. There has got to be one near you somewhere.

most motorcycle shop should carry it. i know barts in la habra carry it. also cycle gear, they have a few locations in southern cali.

It isn't illegal to use leaded gas in the US (I'm pretty sure). It is in Canada.

The NHRA cancelled the Canadian part of the Pro circuit as a result around 15 years ago.

It is illegal to put leaded gas into a vehicle marked, unleaded gas only.

The lead kills the catalitic converters.

To my knowledge there were no US Panteras made with catalitic converters.

The law doesn't require a car to have a cat. It requires it to be able to run on unleaded and it must pass emissions levels.

I don't know how that can be done with say a '85 GT5 in lower NY. It isn't possible to lean the engine enough to achieve the levels required without a cat.

I know that Ford was able to get an emissions waiver on the Pantera. That meant that it didn't require an air pump or a cat. It just needed to pass the emissions test and be able to run unleaded.

Doug, Funny you say that ..I was thinking that today about Cats on the Pantera ... would 100 Cam2 cause a problem with a car that has cats.

Ron

No, that's the unleaded gas.

76 station right off the 10 at Citrus in West Covina (I think). 100 octane race gas can be yours for just under $7/gallon.

Miles

I would check with VP fuels, here in Arizona they will deliver a 50 gallon drum to your house or business. You just pump out what you need, and when the drum is finished, just call and order a replacement.

Be really sure you actually want 110 octane race fuel. Race fuels burn very different than street fuels. Race fuels will require different jetting and timing to gain performance. We have dyno tested pro stock fuel in pump gas engines and it made less power that much cheaper fuel. We did this to prove that bigger is not always better, even with fuel selection. The fuel must be designed for the engine and vise versa. The pro stock fuel we used is a fast burn fuel because its designed for high rpm engines. The engine even sounded horrible. The 100 octane the guys here are refering to may be more to your liking.

Thanks for the feedback guys. The car I was considering has 12/1 compression, requireing the 110 octane. So I may decide against it, maybe more hastle than it is worth.

I go to Cable airport in Upland and drive right down the taxi way to the fueling pad and fill with 100 octane, its $4.30 a gallon. I understand that the aviation fuel is for altitude and may not be good for your car, but I always mix with 91 octane. I have 11.5 to 1 and it seems to run great. leaner that regular 91 pump gas. and its cheap compared to VP at 7 or 8.00 dollors a gallon.
I've been doing this for over a year and have had no problems with my engine and I drive it every week and HARD.

2 things to keep in mind with avgas. First it's not DOT aproved which means without permit you put the owners and employees of the FBO at risk. I know of one FBO who was finned heavily for selling avgas to others not for airplanes and 2 guys fired over it.

Second, avgas still has lead in it. If you run 100% synthetic oil, it is known for not being able to break down the lead. Shell tried marketing a full synthetic a couple years ago. The lead slugged up so bad engines failed 1/2 tbo and controlable prop mechanisms failed left and right. They had many a law suit over that. Except for turbine/jet all aero synthetic oils are blends. No pure synthetic on the market.



Gary

Up here in northeast massachusetts there's a place called Haffners on the route up to the race track and drag strip in southern New Hampshire that sells the 110. six bucks a gallon, and you must dispense into a container.
I can vouch for the relatively quick decomposition, but I run it 50/50 with 93 octane and it sure cured my knock and run on issue. smells like the old days too.

...The Union76 station has Race Gas at the pump, here in Manteca. 110 Octane @ $5.99 Gal...