WTB - momo hub adapter

Have you already chosen your steering wheel, and if so which one?

I might be able to help but I first need to know the bolt pattern of the steering wheel.

Larry

Doesn’t Wilkinson sell hubs for Momo steering wheels?

I chose MOMO 1968 Racing Heritage wheel.  6 hole bolt circle seems like a momo standard (6 holes on 70mm bolt circle?).  I looked on Wilkinson's online catalog and didn't see anything.  I will give a call today.

The 2-piece collapsible adapter is easy to find from a variety of vendors and I may  go that route.  Thought I would ask around first.

I wasn’t aware that the collapsible hubs were readily available. Are they made by Momo or someone else? I thought Momo stopped making the Pantera and MK1 Capri hubs 25 years ago.

I agree with David.

I have in fact purchased a hub similar to what you pictured, sold as a capri hub, and it is not correct for the early capri steering shaft used on our cars.

if you have in fact found a correct splined hub for our cars it would be a wonderful find. Can you please provide a link?

Larry

Summitt has a momo 4513 or sometimes called a c4513 that has 40 splines.  I cannot verify the shaft diameter though.  So you're saying this is not correct for early Capris and Panteras?   What a PITA this is turning into

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/mom-4513

The Capri steering shaft spline count is 36. That changed in 1972.

closely looking at the fitment list for the summit hub you will find this

Sending a PM to you  

Larry

When it comes to hub adapters, close won't cut it. It's correct or it's not. Spline count and pitch is only one part of the equation. You also need it to cancel your turn signals and be the correct distance to the steering column shroud. The correct Momo hub part #'s are 4908 and 4508; the difference being the horn button supplied with the hub adapter. 4908 is supplied with a DeTomaso horn button and 4508 is supplied with a Ford horn button. As both of these items are nearly impossible to find, your only option is a vendor. Wilkinson does carry a hub adapter for Momo steering wheels but it comes with a quick release mechanism and his own horn button. The unit that Bobby Byars (Precision Pro-formance) used to sell is probably available from other Pantera vendors. Try Dennis Quella and Larry Stock. You might want to try IPSCO too. This is the type of part that's right up their ally. Let us know what you find.

Search for a 'hub Boss Adapter for Ford laser Bronco escort' at AliExpress. Perfect fit, I am using this hub together with a standard hub extension (easily available) because you need it longer.

36 splines and 16mm.

Quality is, hmm...not great, but had no issues so far.

Adapter for the following Brands and Cars should fit the Capri mk1 column:

Passt Für BRONCO / F100 F150 F200 F250 F350 1973 - 1982

Passt Für BRONCO / F100 F150 F200 F250 F350 1982-1991

Passt Für CAPRI MK1 1969 - 1974

Passt Für CAPRI SA30 1989-1994

Passt Für CORSAIR 1989-1992

Passt Für CORTINA MK1 - MK2 1965 - 1971

Passt Für CORTINA TC 1971 - 1974

Passt Für CORTINA TD TE (Nicht Ghia) 1974 - 1979

Passt Für KURIER 1983 - 1991

Passt Für ECONOVAN 1980 - 1983

Passt Für ECONOVAN 1983 - 1991

Passt Für ECONOVAN 1994-AUF

Passt Für ESCORT 1300 MK1 1970 - 1974

Passt Für ESCORT 1600, 2000 MK1 1970 - 1975

Passt Für ESCORT 1600, 2000 MK2 1975 - 1982

Passt Für FAIRLANE ZA - ZB 1966 - 1969

Passt Für FAIRLANE ZC - ZD - ZF & LTD 1972 - 1973

Passt Für FAIRLANE ZG - ZH - ZJ & LTD 1973 - 1982

Passt Für FAIRLANE ZK ZL & LTD 1982 - 1987

Passt Für FALCON XK XL 1961 - 1964

Passt Für FALCON XM XP 1965 - 1967

Passt Für FALCON XR XT 1966 - 1969

Passt Für FALCON XW 1969 -1970

Passt Für FALCON XY 1970 - 1972

Passt Für FALCON XA 1972 - 1973

Passt Für FALCON XB XC XD 1973 - 1982

Passt Für FALCON & FAIRMONT XE XF (NICHT Ghia) 1984 - 1988

Passt Für FAIRMONT GHIA XF 1984 - 1988

Passt Für FALCON XH UTE 1996-1999

Passt Für FALCON EF EL

Passt Für FALCON EA EB ED inc XR6 1988 - 1994

Passt Für FESTIVA

Passt Für LASER: ALLE MODELLE 1981 - 1994

Passt Für MAVERICK 1988-1996

Passt Für METEOR: ALLE MODELLE 1981-AUF

Should be easy for you US Guys to find a hub for Broncos and f150s....

Yes, the hub you used is 16 mm with 36 splines. It is often advertised with a part number of R-2. It is common for modern Mazda vehicles.

yes, that hub will slide onto the Pantera steering shaft.

but, that hub does not properly index onto the Pantera shaft taper.

I assume the taper is there for a purpose. I assume when the hub attachment nut is tightened, the intent is for the tapered portions to be forced together for additional friction, so the connection is not fully dependent on the strength of the splines.

here is how the stock OEM hub fits on the shaft.

here is the same hub you used and how it fits onto the shaft.

I have several of those hubs because the seller indicated they were correct for the early capri. The seller obviously was not concerned with the taper.

I do not think that hub should be used on a Pantera.

feel free to convince me that the mismatch is of no concern.

Larry

Well, it would be great to have more options, but as the Momo Variant is unobtanium...

From my experience I can say that it works fine in my car. May I add, that in the first picture the hub is in full contact with the retaining  ring. This indicates that the taper might not be fully forced together with the hub as well. In my opinion the taper helps to center the hub to avoid possible play between the splines and the original steel hub, but not for additional forcefit.

Aftermarket Hubs are softer die-cast.

Reason for splines is to ensure formfit. If the splines do not engage...problem

The second picture IS the hub that you are using. 🤷‍♂️

The contact ring, as you call it, is not fixed and can slide up and down the shaft.

In this photo, the hub has been slid down the shaft as far as it will go. It stops before engaging ANY of the taper  

The hub you are using has ZERO engagement with the shaft taper. Zero engagement.

Just because your hub works successfully does not mean it is correct.

again, I think that mismatch is concerning and I do not think that style hub should be used on a Pantera

remember, everything is always just fine ……..until it isn’t  ☹️

Larry

Sorry, I meant First picture, of course. If the OEM hub hast full contact with the Ring as Seen in the First picture how can you be sure that there is forcefit between the column and the hub due to the taper?

No worries, I presented just another possibility. Everyone should be doing what feels right to do.

OK, in regards to the first picture….

that first picture IS THE OEM HUB mounted on the Pantera shaft. It fits FULLY onto the taper as designed.

and once again, as I just posted,

The ring is NOT fixed to the shaft, it is free to slide on the shaft, and the ring has zero impact on how the OEM hub engages with the Pantera shaft taper.

this photo shows the OEM hub fully engaged onto the taper, note the ring position  

I imagine one could get a round chunk of metal, drill a large hole in the middle, and use a steel epoxy to mount it onto the Pantera steering shaft, drill and tap some holes and attach your steering wheel. Pretty sure that would work successfully, ………until it didn’t.

taking short cuts on the steering system does not seem to be advisable.

Larry

Well, I do not recommend to mount it with epoxy because there would be no form fit...you know, the spline thing ;-)

Wouldn’t the fluid epoxy freely form itself a very tight, zero-gap fit, around the splines, and the taper.  😁😁

I repeat myself once again —-

I do not recommend using a hub that does not replicate the OEM fitment  

Larry

Clearly I am learning a lot today.  Jerry at PIM quoted me $134.95 + s and I have decided to go with a known vendor.  If there is a problem, the vendor will work with me to resolve any issues.  He advised it could take a while to get...

I did get a couple of PM offers which I do appreciate the peer to peer reacchng out.  Helping to solve problems, share knowledge, and find unobtaniums is why I'm here.

-OP

Did they say why it would take a while to get?

As with all vendor purchases, I strongly advise that payment only be sent when the vendor confirms that he has the item actually ON HIS SHELF, and he is not dependent on obtaining it from a previous supplier.

you really don’t need to ask why I offer this caution, do you?

you have been warned.

Larry