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OHIO House Bill 191
If you drive your car on a public street, your car can be seized for ANY moving violation according to this bill.
Join the fight to have this ridiculous bill shut down.

Many individuals who will be voting on this bill will not have read it, or simply have just skimmed through it, but the consequences will devastating for all Ohio drivers.
This bill hides behind the topic of being tougher on street racing in Ohio; in reality we already have a clearly defined street racing law in Ohio. But you don’t street race so there is nothing to worry about. WRONG

The bill expands the definition of "street racing" to also include "any exhibition of speed or acceleration that is inconsistent with the normal operation of a vehicle on a public road, street, or highway."

Also giving officers “Authority to arrest without a warrant”

Under the bill, in addition to any other sanctions, the court must order the criminal forfeiture of the motor vehicle the offender was operating at the time the offender committed street racing if either of the following applies: (1) the motor vehicle the offender was operating at the time of such violation is registered in the offender's name, or (2) the motor vehicle the offender was operating at the time of such violation is not registered in the offender's name but is registered in the name of another person, and the person in whose name the motor vehicle is registered or the person in control of the motor vehicle permitted the offender to operate the motor vehicle and that person knew or had reasonable cause to believe that the offender would operate the motor vehicle in violation of the street racing prohibition or a substantially equivalent municipal ordinance.

What does this mean for Ohio drivers? Instead of a simple speeding ticked you can now have your car seized and sold at auction for such an offence. Any moving violation now becomes grounds to have your car seized!
What if you do not believe that you were doing anything wrong? Well they have that covered as well with this bill. As stated in the bill it gives officers “Authority to arrest without a warrant” This bill gives complete authority to the officer to determine what is considered “street racing”; you will have no say in the matter to plead your case.
Many could speculate that there is a political agenda here. It could be to generate more revenue through increased vehicle seizures and higher fines. It could be part of the movement to combat the collector car hobby and car enthusiast. Would you take out your beautiful 57 Chevy you spent 10 years restoring just to have it seized because someone personally believes you left that last stop light a little to fast? One thing is for certain, this bill has very little to do with street racing. There has been a lot of biased media coverage about this bill which conveniently leaves out any mention of the new expanded definition of street racing. Please go to:
http://www.legislature.state.o...s128/h0191-i-128.htm
and READ THE BILL.
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Originally posted by four walling:
The solution to defeating this law is very simple.

Lienholders WILL refuse to finance or lease any vehicle in the State of Ohio if their financial interest can be taken away.

problem solved.


I work for a bank out of NE Ohio. We finance vehicles. My understanding is that the finance company’s lien cannot be ignored. If the car is sold the sale proceeds would have to satisfy the loan balance. If not the lien would not be released.
Jeff
Hi Jeff,

Here is the point that I am trying to make.

Several years ago, New York state (please correct me if I am wrong but I believe this to be the correct northeastern state), passed a law requiring lessors to be responsible for the acts of their lessees.

For example, if a lessee got drunk, maimed a pedestrian, then the lessor was also culpable and was going to have to pay damages along with the lessee. The lessor’s damage payouts were expected to be huge because they had the deep pockets.
So, what did BMW Financial, Land Rover Financial, Chase Manhattan, Daimler Chrysler Financial and any other bank that you could think of, do THE DAY BEFORE the laws took effect?

RIGHT!

They stopped leasing vehicles in New York.

The residents of New York were pissed. The car dealers of New York were pissed. Anybody whose livelihood depended on the automobile business in the state of New York was pissed.

And last, but not least, the government of New York was pissed-what a stupid law they enacted!

New York blinked and the law went away after several months. The big banks started leasing cars again.

Here is my point: If Ohio is going to confiscate cars without regard to the lien holders interests, the lien holders will no longer finance or lease cars in Ohio.

If nobody in Ohio owes more on their car then what it is worth, then the Ohio lien holders have nothing to worry about.

Otherwise, the lien holders of Ohio are screwed.
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Originally posted by PLT-1:
Like I said... They are coming for us all...


I doubt that they want all of us, just those that can afford to pay. With State and local governments hurting for money and cutting both services and jobs, this law sounds like another way to generate revenue without a tax. It also helps to save law enforcement jobs, because some of that money from the auction sales will end up in the general fund, then later help pay law enforcement wages. It may only be a drop in the bucket, but every little drop helps. If this law does get passed in Ohio or any other state, Arizona will be sure to follow. With the financial mess we are in right now they will take any extra income that they can get.
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