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I (like most) LOVE MY PANTERA! But...it SMELLS! The "gasoline old car smell" not only stinks up the garage, but the mudroom into my house. I know these cars were originally equipped with carbon cannisters off the fuel vent line, will re-installation of the cannister eliminate the smell? I recently installed a vent line off the top of the tank down to the lower wheel well. What about capping it with a pressure relief valve? Any suggestions?

Swen

(OK wise-a$$es...skip the KITTY LITTER jokes)
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Swen,

I don't get a fuel smell myself, but the vacuum canister is still connected on my Pantera. It would make sense the fuel tank, heated by the engine compartment, would put off vapors

I love the smell my Pantera leaves in the closed garage after a drive. Its not old gasoline, its like a vintage Italian auto ambrosia. I swear, if they bottled it, I'd wear it as cologne.

Can anyone else relate to the smell I'm referring to. Its in the interior too.

Eau de Pantera, 1973. George
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Originally posted by george pence:
Swen,

I love the smell my Pantera leaves in the closed garage after a drive. Its not old gasoline, its like a vintage Italian auto ambrosia. I swear, if they bottled it, I'd wear it as cologne.

Can anyone else relate to the smell I'm referring to. Its in the interior too.

Eau de Pantera, 1973. George




You gotta love this guy!

Jeff
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Originally posted by george pence:
Swen,

I don't get a fuel smell myself, but the vacuum canister is still connected on my Pantera. It would make sense the fuel tank, heated by the engine compartment, would put off vapors

I love the smell my Pantera leaves in the closed garage after a drive. Its not old gasoline, its like a vintage Italian auto ambrosia. I swear, if they bottled it, I'd wear it as cologne.

Can anyone else relate to the smell I'm referring to. Its in the interior too.

Eau de Pantera, 1973. George


Oh heck yeah. I love that smell. I do think a lot of it is gasoline fumes but after a long ride she smells like that for hours. It's great.
My race car has that smell of power and fear. My pantera don;t have much smell at all. Check around your carb, sometimes they seep a little around the bowls and the fuel cooks on the intake....giving the old gas smell. You may also want to check around your tank for wet area.If I over fill it..I can smell fuel, so when I fill up every 200 miles without a working guage, I stick the nozzle all the way in and let it click just once. How it creeps into your mudroom...only George would know that!
I agree with the smell. I'm working out of state and get to go home about every 3 weeks. I bee-line right for the blond (my wife says) my yellow cat. I uncover it and get in and the smeel hits me. I love it, old leather/carpet etc. Pump the gas hit the key and then the other excitement, the 351c. Back out of the garage and watch the people walking by stare opened eyed (what is it?). I then watch the temp go up perfectly now with the new fans and fluiddyne and I'm off. Then I put her away, wipe her down and see my wife. I know she wonders what I love more...
Well gang, the smell I'm referring to is definitely not the smell of gasoline, thats another smell (and flavor) I'm all too familiar with.

What I smell is the smell of the foams & fabrics & adhesives used to assemble the car. beats me how it can still smell this way after 32 years, but it does. the heat in the engine bay after a drive makes the smell much stronger, I refer it as the smell of a warm Pantera.

I like to poke my head in the garage about a 1/2 hour after I've parked it & just inhale deeply. LOL.....

Bill, we don't have mud rooms in So Cal, just the occasional mud slide. But I agree with your assessment of Swens fuel vapor problem, check the intake manifold for signs of leakage from the carb.

Swen, does your Pantera still run the Autolite 4300 carb? They are notorious for warped air horns, allowing the fuel bowl to leak.

Jeff, thanks for the nice compliment. Hey, where were you before my wife left me? LOL.....

The weird guy on the PIBB, George LOL......
Swen,

Gasoline vapors and engines do not mix well outside of the carb. You should not have such strong vapors to deal with.

Check all your fuel lines and clamps. Replace your lines if they appear old, dry or have any cracks when flexed. If you don't know when the lines were last replaced, do it now regardless of how they look. If you have a later car with the outside fuel door, check the rubber hose that links the filler to the tank. It is a bitch to replace, but it too will age and crack.

The charcoal cannister is probably doing no good after all these years, anyway. Mine is removed, with the hose running down between the tank and the tank shield, exiting just below the tank bottom.

You are dealing with a flaw in your fuel system and you should keep looking until you find it.

Larry
The smell is almost "combustion like" with a splash of carbon in it... whatever it is, it smells good!! When I first got my car I had the same gasoline smell in my garage. Turned out to be the carb leaking gas externally. Besides other issues with it, I decided to replace it with a Holley Street Avenger. Never had that problem since. Be sure to check the bottom of the gas tank (drain plug) for any small leaks. I had this happen after servicing mine. For what it's worth, I still have the charcoal canister hooked up.
Is there any evaporated gasoline residue on the intake manifold? Rusty color?
I had a rebuilt Holley 600 or 650, anyway, a rubber o-ring let gas trickle out and it formed a pool of gasoline on my intake manifold. I went to an Edelbrock carb, with no external gaskets or o-rings below the float bowls. Fixed it, no more leaking, but any new carb will fix that leak, it's just nearly impossible to rebuild old Holleys, that O-ring is notorious for leaking after the rebuild, and mine had "A Professional" rebuild the Holley. Wanna buy it? Then you can have two leaky Holley rebuilt carbs. LOL!

Have you inspected your mechanical fuel pump?
It has the ability to leak, and could potentially leak your entire gas tank in siphon effect if the rubber bellows is cracked around the perimter edges. The fule pump is mounted below the fuel tank fuel level, and can leak out all that expensive gasoline, dude!
Or if you're even unluckier, it'll just simply fail on you 300 miles from home. It's so cheap, a guy should just simply replace it to make sure it's not causing either "the smell of gasoline problem" or "the failed fuel pump problem on the side of the road." Spend the $30. Spend the 30 minutes. Eliminate the risk.
It's also a fire hazard, when it reaches lower explosive limits. Isn't your garage ventilated? Where I'm from, the pilot light on the hot water heater is the ingition source. Hot water heaters are many times located in a closet inside the garage, and the closet door is ventilated to the garage, which is where I think you say gasoline fumes are coming from. Dangerous possibilty happening. Warning. I'd crack the garage door an inch or two until the riddle is solved, and I'd replace the hoses, as mentioned, which I'm sure you did already, but change the fuel pump for cryin' out loud.
Skip the movies and work on the cat, the old lady will see the wisdom, I'm sure!!! Fire hazard in her house??!!!!! She'd make you sell the Pantera if it caused a fire, Amigo!!!! Skip the beer, or take baloney sandwiches, but change the fuel pump!!

Seriously,there's every reason to do it and no reason not to. Process of elimination.

To answer your other question, a check valve in the vent line is OK, but ask the Pantera vendor where to instal it. MY advice is install it right at the very top of the fuel tank, where the vent hose is connecting to the tank. See? You didn't need the ventilated gas cap after all.

But you do need a fuel pump, unless you've already installed a new one, and it's been two years now, with temperature cycles hot cold hot cold...put VERY, as in VERY HOT, VERY COLD, in front of each of those temperature swings.

LOL!!!!! No fires allowed! You need a NO SMOKING AROUND PANTERA sign up in the garage until you fix this, lest the sister-in-law have a gander at the Pantera whilst you'ze at work and BOOM!!!

All kidding aside, let us know the status, and we'll give you some more colorful hints about them vapor smells. My Pantera don't smell at all, and I just went and sniffed it, up close to the engine screen, just for your very benefit, Amigo!!! The dogs were watching and saying "I know what he's doing, he's sniffing and I know why he's sniffing, I just didn't know where to sniff, did you Brutus?"
The hot, clicking, wide open throttle smell goes with the territory in the bad boy toys, and goes away by the time you wake up the next day. That's the headers, and they're hot, so watch your gasoline hose routes by them headers. No zip-ties of the gas hoses to the headers!!!! Sorry, I'm being mean now, and I know you're an engineer and engineers don't like jokes, so I'm sorry. No more wise a$$ jokes. You can hit me back next time I have to ask a question and I'll know why you socked me like that when you do it, won't I???

your wise a$$ buddy,
Ron
You guys are a PANIC! Good stuff. I too, like the "vintage smell" of an old car (which it does indeed have), but this smell is definitely gas. And the garage smells even when the car is cool. The gas tank is solid (no leaks), there are no visible leaks from below (near fuel pump). I have a Holley Double Pumper, manual choke, mechanical secondaries. There IS some discoloration around the intake manifold (Edelbrock Performer 4V). Could be some carb gaskets leaking ever so slightly. I'll crack the window to get some ventilation and change out the fuel pump (I was planning to install a cannister-type filter and pressure guage and re-pipe the whole thing anyway. The extra 90 bucks is worth the peace of mind.

And yes...My wife thinks I love the car more than her. All I know is that when I'm stressed, all I need to do is take the Cat for a spin...and BINGO...headache GONE!

Thanks Boyz!
SwenDude, thanks for being good natured, big guy. Can't take life too seriously ... or else we miss all the humor. Life gets so boring sometimes, that I have to give the guys who've been around awhile a little trouble, just to keep it entertaining. If I speeld it right, I'd have to capitalize it and people would think I take myself Oh-So-Seriously, which I don't. Speeld? Ah..hummm, spelled. Fix it and let us know what it was, now we're curious, and no smoking in the garage ... for now, Wild Man!

/s/ Ron, the Spelling-Bee dude
Nils,
I don't like to be serious but ...
gasoline fumes are 6 times heavier than atmosphere that means if you smell it you only get a hint of danger. The proper mixture of air and gasoline has the explosive potential of slightly less an dynamite.

The canister and the carbon inside that the fuel tank was connected to has passed it usefulness years ago, it doesn’t matter if it connected or not. The gas tank vent must allow air to enter if fuel is to leave the tank. I connected my vent to the air cleaner on the inside of the filter element. The paper isn’t the best barrier but it does offer some resistance. Also keeping the hose as high as possible keeps the fumes from escaping.
I suspect that by leaving the hose low in the engine bay that it might be possible to siphon the fumes off of the tank. (not sure)
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