Wanted Pantera in Western Canada

Hello,
Check out Sept. or Oct. Canada classic auto trader. There was an orange 1974 listed for sale in B.C. Asking $57,000 if I remember correctly.
Doug M

With the Canadian $ above par on the greenback, whay wouldn't you come to the US to find a car?

Compared to a couple years ago they must be a real bargain and no issues with importation into Canada of cars over 15 yrs old.

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Originally posted by Msaj:
I am looking for a Pantera in Canada, hopefully not too far from Edmonton. I will consider anything available. I will also look at US cars if a Canadian car isnt available.
Thanks

Julian is giving good advice. Importation is far easier than you might think for any car 15+ years old. With the $CDN now at 1.05 US, there is no better time to look south. The network of great Pantera guys all across the US will help yu find something good without a lot of flights to see junk.

If you need info about importing, let me know as I brought a car in last year and it was easy.

Good luck with the search!

If you need help, I'm located in Edmonton. I could show you around my car that's completely striped down for restoration and identify problem areas. Contact me at david.blair@telus.net

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Originally posted by a734me:
Hello,
Check out Sept. or Oct. Canada classic auto trader. There was an orange 1974 listed for sale in B.C. Asking $57,000 if I remember correctly.
Doug M

Thanks :
I did see the Orange one in the AutoTrader.Its not quite what I am looking for. I also think its overpriced

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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:

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Originally posted by Msaj:
I am looking for a Pantera in Canada, hopefully not too far from Edmonton. I will consider anything available. I will also look at US cars if a Canadian car isnt available.
Thanks

Julian is giving good advice. Importation is far easier than you might think for any car 15+ years old. With the $CDN now at 1.05 US, there is no better time to look south. The network of great Pantera guys all across the US will help yu find something good without a lot of flights to see junk.

If you need info about importing, let me know as I brought a car in last year and it was easy.

Good luck with the search!

Thanks for the reply;

I have considered buying from the US. I thought importing it to Canada would be a pain. If you have done it before, I could sure use the info. Since you are out east. I saw a black pantera advertised on ragtops.ca do you know anything about that one?

I spoke to a fellow in Toronto that saw that car at Ragtops. He said it was "so-so". He didn't buy it.
Don't be afraid to import a car from the US. It's simple. If you don't want to undertake the importing paperwork, then hire a broker for $400. Take advantage of our strong dollar.
Will

I agree. Take advantage of our high value dollar. You will have a much larger market to choose from than here in Canada. One thing to remember is that Panteras are NOT duty free. They don't qualify for NAFTA because they were manufactured in Italy not North America. (Or was I the only person who got screwed by this little surprise??) If the paperwork is in order and you follow the rules of the US and CAN customs people it really isn't that bad. Good luck.
Doug M

The car in Toronto (Black one) has been for sale for ages and I believe it has rust issues. At the very least it is a very tired-looking car and I wouldn't consider it.

Import duty is max 6.1% on non NA built cars. There is no reason to hire a broker unless you're shipping the car. Here's what you do:

• Find a car, have it inspected by a local. If it looks like the one, agree on a deal subject to inspection. Arrange for your insurance carrier to cover you should you buy the car (most will cover you for 2 weeks for nothing if you have cars covered already).

• Have the owner (or get a copy and do this yourself, as I did) Fax the ownership title to the US Customs office where you will bring the car through (the actual border crossing) a minimum of 72 hours before arrival there. Follow up to ensure it was "cleared" (not stolen, no liens etc.)

• Travel to see the car for yourself. If it is as you expected, pay for it and head for home (with a local temp road permit arranged by the seller, or tow it on a trailer as I did)

• Show up at US Customs at border and get them to stamp the ownership title as "Clear" to export (no charge for this service)

• Drive to Canada Customs. Declare the car, go into the office and show proof of payment (copy of bank draft, copy of bill of sale and "stamped" ownership title. Pay GST and the duty (based on the Canadian amount paid at that day's exchange rate).

• Drive home and enjoy your new Pantera.

I did this with my GT40 and the importing part took me 20 minutes total (at a slow border crossing). Not worth $400.00, since the Customs people will help fill out the form for you (it's one page and nothing tricky).

I understand this sounds scary, but trust me, it's not as scary as owning a 35 year old Italian car...


OR... get Julian to buy it and bring it with him when he moves to Calgary!

One other thing... don't buy a car with messy ownership issues (not titled in the current owner's name) — Derrick can tell you what an arse-pain that is...

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Pay GST and the duty (based on the Canadian amount paid at that day's exchange rate).

What? I thought only GST was payable. Is the duty based on purchase price now or when new and what rate?

Has anyone checked out the red Pantera on Ebay right now, here is the link pictures look great. Any comments would be appreciated. http://cgi.ebay.ca/Other-Makes-1974-DeTomaso-Pantera-Se...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Julian,

The duty is based on the sale price paid for the vehicle being imported (not the original sale price new). Don't worry. Purchases made 6+ months before moving here are considered owned personal property and not subject to duty (as far as I know). The duty on imported cars is 6% (but might be lower for antiques — not too sure)

The red Florida car looks like a great deal even if you include the cost to get the red velvet out. Have it inspected and head to Florida! It's a long drive home, but there are lots of shipping companies (search the forum for recommendations). Good luck!

Mark

Hello, I'm almost positive that Mark is correct. Personal property including collector cars are duty exempt. I paid 3.2% import duty (as an antique)on the car I brought into Canada in April 2007. Good luck if you go to Florida!
Doug M

OK, I did just notice ONE issue of concern on this otherwise great looking car. Why did someone cut off the rain gutter on the passenger side?

Other than that, the car looks worth following up on. (oh, except for that red velour headliner and seat trim... the bad paint and missing weather strip). Still, for $28K (even less $CDN!).

When I brought my car in from Texas I told Customs it was made by Ford and didn't have to pay any duty.
Richard T.

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Why did someone cut off the rain gutter on the passenger side?

Now that's weird! Only one side too.

At first I thought it was just missing the trim..

Holy crap, did you ever catch a lucky break. I tried exactly the same thing but the guy I got at the border knew exactly what these cars were and where they came from. After a fairly heated arguement with me explaning to him that a lot of parts including the motor were manufactured in the states and the car was sold new at a ford dealer in the states, this customs guy gave me a sly smile and said "pay up or leave it here". End of arguement!!
Just my luck I guess
Doug M

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Originally posted by RichardT:
When I brought my car in from Texas I told Customs it was made by Ford and didn't have to pay any duty.
Richard T.

when i bought my pantera . it was in fla . usa i got to the boarder they put me in a holding cell my dad in a diffrent one and contacted the old owner ! i was there for 3hours!they didnt belive me what i paid for it they wanted more tax money .

Deja-vu, man. That happened to me when I bought a skid of used parts through a friend in California. My friend paid the seller on my behalf and because the Feds didn't see a payment trail, they didn't believe what I paid for them (yes, I had a receipt from the seller itemizing everything). After three hours of not being able to reach my friend (on holidays in Europe by then) or the seller to verify what I had paid, they threatened me with future prosecution for import fraud and told me not to sleep easy for the next few months. Then they let me go with all the evidence — but not before I paid the tax and duty!

When I imported my car, I made sure I had copies of the bank draft, my bank statements, my bank manager's home phone number etc. No way I was going to have another fiasco where they couldn't verify what I'd paid.

Not to say you should expect problems but, well, you should be PREPARED for them. Just make sure you have more than a bill of sale. Have PROOF of how much $$ was paid and then when they give you a hard time, tell them to F-Off and charge you or let you go. If you're not lying they will not be able to prove you are and they know it.

I had no problems at all. I bought my car in Florida. Used TFX International. They picked up car and delivered it to me in Edmonton. They arranged a customs broker (cost $250,00) I paid only GST. And car was delivered to my house. No problems, no hassels.

Forgot to mention , my car has 2 serial numbers. I used the Amerisport number to indicate that it was manufactured in USA. Customs accepted that

Keep this in mind when bringing a car into Canada

http://www.canada.com/edmontonjournal/news/local/story....31961135c412&k=77010

Ted,

Great to hear someone who has used a broker and what it costs (which is WAY less than I would have expected). The article is good reading and advice too. If I'd known it was that cheap, I'd let them clear any future imports.

Thanks!