I understand that everyone is entitled to their opinion and all but sheesh... Do a little more research.
http://www.autozine.org/Manufacturer/Italy.htm#DeTomaso
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What a terrible analysis. The worst write up I have ever read about Detomaso.The writer must have lost his girlfriend to someone who drove a Pantera.
I guess building a car that average people could afford. Repair themselves (or at least not get a second mortgage to pay for) and with equal or better performance than the other performance cars at half the price means nothing !
I guess building a car that average people could afford. Repair themselves (or at least not get a second mortgage to pay for) and with equal or better performance than the other performance cars at half the price means nothing !
The author, Mark Wan, is a chinese computer nerd in his 30s, an auto enthusiast, but with little real automotive experience. Take what he writes with a grain of salt, he's most likely never even seen most of the cars he writes about, let alone driven them. He only knows what he has read in magazines.
Here's a link to his auto-bio:
http://www.autozine.org/About_AutoZine/Author.html
cowboy from hell
Here's a link to his auto-bio:
http://www.autozine.org/About_AutoZine/Author.html
cowboy from hell
Did you read the anti-american SUV page? Same type of stuff tat has been propogated at the forum ultimatecarpage.com and other european forum. The world has us pinned as using all the worlds oil (and their racing gas) to haul around soccer kids. In a discusion on the ultimatecarpage I sugested the "soccer MOM" has as much right to drive a SUV as the guys going to race a car at a track. I also sugested that not all SUV's are 12mpg Escalades. They threatened me and then kicked me out. I am not welome there. How dare a guy like me sugest a soccer mom has as much right to gas then some one racing cars! The world has an ugly disjointed view of Americans.
The Internet gives everyone their 15 seconds of fame. Whatcha gonna do?
Gary ... I'd change his mind ...give him to me at one 20 minute session at Pocono ... he'd be begging to be in a 300zx. I changed the mind of a porsche guy ... LOL
Ron
Ron
Ignore the ass.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by popsrcr:
Whatcha gonna do?
[QUOTE]Originally posted by popsrcr:
Whatcha gonna do?
quote:Originally posted by accobra:
Gary ... I'd change his mind ...give him to me at one 20 minute session at Pocono ... he'd be begging to be in a 300zx. I changed the mind of a porsche guy ... LOL
Ron
Coz is right. A computer guy sitting in a coffie shop "Publishing" car facts; Not worth giving him the recognition.
And I was in Hong Kong last week. Could have personally provided our collective insight. I would guess the problem was somewhere between his seat and keyboard. As everyone knows, opinons are like A-holes, everyone's got one.
"De Tomaso just wanted to earn the most money out of the least investment and effort."
Sounds like he was way ahead of his time, now everyone is like this
Sounds like he was way ahead of his time, now everyone is like this
Mark,
keep in mind Mark Wan lives in a communist country. Being in business to make a profit & increase ones wealth is decadent in his world.
cowboy from hell
keep in mind Mark Wan lives in a communist country. Being in business to make a profit & increase ones wealth is decadent in his world.
cowboy from hell
quote:Originally posted by Mark Mensen:
"De Tomaso just wanted to earn the most money out of the least investment and effort."
Sounds like he was way ahead of his time, now everyone is like this
LOL
Funny how he criticizes Alejandro for lack of interest and commitment in his cars yet he talks highly of Lambo's and ferrari's. Lambo was out of business by 72 and Enzo Ferrari almost sold out to Ford a decade earlier. Talk about double standard.
What a peanut head. This kind of stuff gets me so worked up....even more so when I realize its not worth getting worked up over.
Miles
"De Tomaso just wanted to earn the most money out of the least investment and effort."
Sounds to me like the Asian auto manufacturers who have people working 16 hour days for a bowl of rice. They earn the most money out of the least investment.
Sounds to me like the Asian auto manufacturers who have people working 16 hour days for a bowl of rice. They earn the most money out of the least investment.
Hey guys,give him his due.Sometimes it's good to see the other side of the story.Point-counterpoint.We here at the PI board only see the rosey side of Detomaso automobiles.It's good to know what we are up against.An't this what America's all about?I still think we got a pretty good car.
I agree that the freedom of speech is what makes THIS country great.
Using the same glorious freedom, seems his opinion that deTomaso contributed "nothing worthwhile" to car scene is laughable. This very Club is evidence to the contrary.
Perhaps it's significant to the specialty suppliers some 30 years hence for a 'forgotten' nameplate.
Could it be significant that the 1971 Pantera preceeded Ferrari's own mid-engine supercar (not including the then 'non' Ferrari Dino) and Maserati's too?
I wonder if it was notable that absent a trust fund, a regular guy could stroll into a Lincoln Mercury dealership and walk out an exotic car owner?
Is it meaningful that you needn't either a trust fund or a close personal relationship with an Italian car specialist to keep it running?
I wonder if it was noteworthy or significant that the body is regarded as one of the prettiest to ever grace the street, the engine servicabilty gives a confidence unheard of in other exotic circles and that personalization doesn't get you kicked out of the Polo Club.
Since Ford's much reported 'love' was to recreate an Italian influenced automobile for Americans, only in the words of a poor excuse for a historian is it a 'poor mans' Ferrari'.
The Pantera is more accurately either a poor man's GT40 (remember that little insignificant car?) or a sane man's Ferrari. Take your pick.
Enough with bantering a non car guy-view of the landscape and taking it as accurate or remotely meaningful. As is this response, it's just one man's opinion, just one man's opinion.
Using the same glorious freedom, seems his opinion that deTomaso contributed "nothing worthwhile" to car scene is laughable. This very Club is evidence to the contrary.
Perhaps it's significant to the specialty suppliers some 30 years hence for a 'forgotten' nameplate.
Could it be significant that the 1971 Pantera preceeded Ferrari's own mid-engine supercar (not including the then 'non' Ferrari Dino) and Maserati's too?
I wonder if it was notable that absent a trust fund, a regular guy could stroll into a Lincoln Mercury dealership and walk out an exotic car owner?
Is it meaningful that you needn't either a trust fund or a close personal relationship with an Italian car specialist to keep it running?
I wonder if it was noteworthy or significant that the body is regarded as one of the prettiest to ever grace the street, the engine servicabilty gives a confidence unheard of in other exotic circles and that personalization doesn't get you kicked out of the Polo Club.
Since Ford's much reported 'love' was to recreate an Italian influenced automobile for Americans, only in the words of a poor excuse for a historian is it a 'poor mans' Ferrari'.
The Pantera is more accurately either a poor man's GT40 (remember that little insignificant car?) or a sane man's Ferrari. Take your pick.
Enough with bantering a non car guy-view of the landscape and taking it as accurate or remotely meaningful. As is this response, it's just one man's opinion, just one man's opinion.
Right on A Hudson.
I've always been impressed with Mr. D. I always loved the fact that Alessandro was said to have ripped off Detroit. Those big auto guys had a habit of doing unto others, so it's nice that this small town guy did it to them - more than once.
His personality, his arrogance and his lack of concentration are all part of what makes this car so special.
And so who cares if people didn't like Detomaso, the man. Nobody cares what kind of man Picasso was. And he was nothing special as a father or husband.
This wonderful car was created - in spite of his shortcomings - and is still is amazing, 35 years later.
I've always been impressed with Mr. D. I always loved the fact that Alessandro was said to have ripped off Detroit. Those big auto guys had a habit of doing unto others, so it's nice that this small town guy did it to them - more than once.
His personality, his arrogance and his lack of concentration are all part of what makes this car so special.
And so who cares if people didn't like Detomaso, the man. Nobody cares what kind of man Picasso was. And he was nothing special as a father or husband.
This wonderful car was created - in spite of his shortcomings - and is still is amazing, 35 years later.
Gee...I wonder why eyes pop out of their heads, jaws hit the ground, when I drive the Pantera..mmmm, must not be such a bad car after all...
As George says, this blokes entire website is regurgitated from magazine articles.
After reading the De Tomaso article and several of his write ups on other marks, it is very obvious that Mark Wan clearly has no experience whatsoever with actual cars.
His entire website is full of inaccuracies.
I almost never read anything written in automotive press about De Tomaso that is accurate. They always get it wrong. So when people like Wan regurgitate it third hand, it becomes diluted nonsense.
This is exactly the quality I would expect from a Chinese website.
Johnny
After reading the De Tomaso article and several of his write ups on other marks, it is very obvious that Mark Wan clearly has no experience whatsoever with actual cars.
His entire website is full of inaccuracies.
I almost never read anything written in automotive press about De Tomaso that is accurate. They always get it wrong. So when people like Wan regurgitate it third hand, it becomes diluted nonsense.
This is exactly the quality I would expect from a Chinese website.
Johnny
The Pantera, the Rodney Dangerfield of supercardom.
quote:I almost never read anything written in automotive press about De Tomaso that is accurate.
Mostly agree, however, the recent articles in Automobile and Motor Trend Classic seem to capture the essence of the car better than most. And that's a good thing.