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There's is more to it, which will also probably be a story in a future PI issue.

The car is now in Hawaii and hopfully will see better days.

This car was GROSSLY misrepresented by the seller, and the new buyer bought it sight unseen. A very expensive mistake & lesson to be learned by any buyer.

Very, very sad situation.

What car was it ?

I was also real upset. But Dave won't tell me who it is. He just wants to keep me out of jail, so he is being a good friend and all, but pay back can make jail time almost worth it.

There is always more than one side to a story.

A Clever fellow might phrase answers in such a way that one might interpret the answer to desires and not reality.

Example: "Its a good 10 ft. paint job."
Buyers version: It's probably a "driver" and would look good from 10 feet.
Sellers version: If its dark, rainy and you are looking at the car's reflecion in a dump truck mirror 10 feet away, "it's cherry!"

Lies are another matter.

When it comes to large amounts of $ I follow these rules: I trust you as long as you are in the strike zone, or in the sights; OR I can verify for myself.

Another consideration is "frame of reference" - when/if my car were going to be sold it might be described as "the most bitchin' Pantera in the county" . . . which it true as long as it remains the only car in the county. My car in the parking area in Vegas could only be described as "the most bitchin' Pantera for which I have keys."

IFF one sees a car for sale and knows the description is "slightly optimistic" one should encourage the buyer to get a second opinion or inspect the car for himself. Its called ethics.

But, yeah - a misrepresented cars is just not right. (what's a few hp between friends?)

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Originally posted by Coz:
There's is more to it, which will also probably be a story in a future PI issue.

The car is now in Hawaii and hopfully will see better days.

This car was GROSSLY misrepresented by the seller, and the new buyer bought it sight unseen. A very expensive mistake & lesson to be learned by any buyer.

Very, very sad situation.

So true Pope,, In my year long search I ran in to many cars that were misrepresented, you have to check it out. Hell,,the hole damb world will rip you off if you let them, not just cars... everything !

As bad as I feel for the buyer, ultimately it was his responsibility to check/arrange to have the car checked before making the purchase. In my opinion, it is common sense to do so. I saw this car first hand I wouldn not have even considered purchasing it at ANY price! (well maybe something ridiculously low for some parts)

P.I. does have a disclaimer at the top of their page stating that the cars have NOT been inspected by P.I. nor are they being endorsed by them and are just beng advertised there. They also warn aboutr buying a car site unseen and offer help in having the car inspected. What more can you ask?

As George said, mere ownership does not make the seller a member of the community. I believe that attachment is earned through honesty, integrity, friendship, love for the car, and the spirit and dedication to the marquee. No matter where, there are those who would take advantage for personal gain. Bottom line is "Caveat Emptor" buyer beware!

I totally agree that the phrase 'buyer beware' should be foremost in any transaction where the item is unseen. Unfortunately with more and more transactions occuring over the internet or through on-line auctions, of which many sites have loose policing policies, if any, then the incidence rate of this type of story is only likely to increase. It is unfortunate the incident reflects badly on Dave & Linda as there's is an honest medium to bring together buyer & seller, the rest is between those two parties alone. It is unfortuante that one seller chose to use that forum to avail another prospective owner of his cash for a misrepresented car. However, the irony in this situation has to be that the previous owner was obviously not worthy of such a car or the comraderie that goes with ownership. All we can do as a community is band together behind the new owner and support him as much as possible to get his new posession up to the way it should be.

As George so rightly says

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Pantera ownership does not necessarily make somebody a member of the Pantera community. Being a member of this community means you relate to the other members, you feel an affinity to them. You would never rip a fellow member off. The seller of the Pantera that is related in Dave's story IS NOT a member of the Pantera community, whether he thinks so or not.

When bidding for on-line auctions my max bid always reflects the degree of uncertainty that lies with not having seen the item and usually quite a bit of research into a 'realistic' price. Often I'll find an equivalent or better quality item retail for the same price. Bidders tend to get auction fever on sites like Ebay with last minute 'got to have' over the top bids.

So far so good with that policy, and I actually purchased my P car sight unseen ( a lot of close up photos were obtained) and my bid went unaccepted for 2 months, but eventually I got what will be my dream car, (well once fixed up) and at a price I consider well below market value. I'm fortunate, but you'll usually find for every bad rap there are a larger number of success stories too. Unfortunately 'bad news' sells and travels faster and farther.

Don't mess with my buddies

Cool photo george!
Im glad im your mate....
Dennis

ROFLOL....I see what you mean George....Too funny.

See you Friday...Drive the Pantera !

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Originally posted by george pence:
Don't mess with my buddies

MMMM looks like anew sherrif in town!

If George knows guns like he knows panteras...someone is in deep trouble

A guy with the most bitchen pantera in the county....that I have keys for