Jack;
About a year or so ago you had a diagram showing all the vulnerable locations on the chassis for rust and where to drill drain holes. Do you recall and do you still have that diagram?
Rodger Petre #5927
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Rodger:
Have a look at the site of the Swedish DeTomaso Club. The direct URL is: http://www.detomaso.nu/pdf/991214-rostskyddsschema.pdf
It's a pdf-file with all information you may need.
/Bjorn Carlsson, Sweden
Have a look at the site of the Swedish DeTomaso Club. The direct URL is: http://www.detomaso.nu/pdf/991214-rostskyddsschema.pdf
It's a pdf-file with all information you may need.
/Bjorn Carlsson, Sweden
Thanks Bjorn,
What do the black/white triangles & circles represent?
Rodger
What do the black/white triangles & circles represent?
Rodger
Ahrm..., I was afraid you would ask that!
Honestly I don't know. I did it my way! ;-)
Let me guess:
Open circle - you don't have to drill.
White triangles - plug it.
Black triangles - leave it open so it can drain water.
Regards, Bjorn
Honestly I don't know. I did it my way! ;-)
Let me guess:
Open circle - you don't have to drill.
White triangles - plug it.
Black triangles - leave it open so it can drain water.
Regards, Bjorn
Bjorn;
I found my old diagrams showing what areas of the Pantera should be checked for rust. Yellow areas indicate caution and Red areas indicate critical rust areas. They're easy to read and handy. There's a total of 4 pages of .jpeg files (diagrams). If you want them, or anyone else for that matter, send your email address to me and I'll send them along. :-)
Rodger Petre
rpetre@bak.rr.com
I found my old diagrams showing what areas of the Pantera should be checked for rust. Yellow areas indicate caution and Red areas indicate critical rust areas. They're easy to read and handy. There's a total of 4 pages of .jpeg files (diagrams). If you want them, or anyone else for that matter, send your email address to me and I'll send them along. :-)
Rodger Petre
rpetre@bak.rr.com
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Originally posted by Rodger Petre:
Bjorn;
I found my old diagrams showing what areas of the Pantera should be checked for rust. Yellow areas indicate caution and Red areas indicate critical rust areas. They're easy to read and handy. There's a total of 4 pages of .jpeg files (diagrams). If you want them, or anyone else for that matter, send your email address to me and I'll send them along. :-)
Rodger Petre
rpetre@bak.rr.com
Please send me a copy at
pantera1683@aol.com
[This message has been edited by madguy (edited 10-31-2002).]
I would appreciate a copy if you get the chance. thks. Karl
cederholm@ll.mit.edu
cederholm@ll.mit.edu
What you are describing sounds like the rust info on PanteraPlace:
http://www.panteraplace.com/page57.htm
Some of the photos of rusted body parts are suggested for viewing by mature Pantera owners only : (
http://www.panteraplace.com/page57.htm
Some of the photos of rusted body parts are suggested for viewing by mature Pantera owners only : (
I got stuck in a heavy downpour and would also like to know 'where should the holes be drilled for drainage,' please?
I've reviewed the diagram at www.panteraplace.com for vulnerability areas for rust and cannot find info telling us 'rust vulnerable' Pantera owners where exactly to drill drainage holes. The bottom of the doors, I suppose, toward the front if your car slopes down in front is a good starting place, but the bottom of the rocker panels really don't seem to offer a good location to drill drain holes. There was high vulnerabilty around the gas tank area too, but where should a hole be drilled?
After a torrential rain I got caught in, I worried a bit, and checked my car. I don't have any splash shields behind the front wheel wells by the door hinges and I noticed there was dirt that held the water in a sort of mud. This alerted me that this is gonna stay wet for days and promote rusting in that area.
So, another project I have is to jack up the back end in the driveway and get the hose and wash that dirt out of there so it doesn't retain moisture for so long. Then I'm gonna rust proof that area again, real well with some spray on material, after it dries for a few days in the summer heat.
The drains by the wipers seem OK, and mine are not plugged.
There are no spash shields on the rear wheel wells either, and I have no rust there, but maybe a nice place to drill a hole, unnoticable and probably not that significant, given the 'rust probability chart' that I saw.
Every one of us with these rare, thorough bred Italian icons has the same concern, but I haven't found a good answer. Please, we need help....
I've reviewed the diagram at www.panteraplace.com for vulnerability areas for rust and cannot find info telling us 'rust vulnerable' Pantera owners where exactly to drill drainage holes. The bottom of the doors, I suppose, toward the front if your car slopes down in front is a good starting place, but the bottom of the rocker panels really don't seem to offer a good location to drill drain holes. There was high vulnerabilty around the gas tank area too, but where should a hole be drilled?
After a torrential rain I got caught in, I worried a bit, and checked my car. I don't have any splash shields behind the front wheel wells by the door hinges and I noticed there was dirt that held the water in a sort of mud. This alerted me that this is gonna stay wet for days and promote rusting in that area.
So, another project I have is to jack up the back end in the driveway and get the hose and wash that dirt out of there so it doesn't retain moisture for so long. Then I'm gonna rust proof that area again, real well with some spray on material, after it dries for a few days in the summer heat.
The drains by the wipers seem OK, and mine are not plugged.
There are no spash shields on the rear wheel wells either, and I have no rust there, but maybe a nice place to drill a hole, unnoticable and probably not that significant, given the 'rust probability chart' that I saw.
Every one of us with these rare, thorough bred Italian icons has the same concern, but I haven't found a good answer. Please, we need help....
I printed out the Dinitro/Dinol diagram and it seems to me that this company is pointing out drill holes to inject rustproofing material into parts of the body that are exposed to salt air. Sweden is obviously close to the ocean, much closer than most of us in America. It is pleasurable to me to know they take rust proofing seriously. And on that note, I'd like to know if I could obtain the rustproofing service that Dinitrol/Dinol offers in America. So, if anyone knows, I'd like a referral. I'd drive my Pantera anywhere in the USA to get this service performed. Even drive through the rain, 'cause it's not a problem yet, but I'd like to keep my Pantera in a condition that Alejandro de Tomaso would be proud of!
But, I really doubt I'll obtain such a referral, so I'll be happy to have an opinion on where to drill drainage holes, because my car is not exposed to salt air, or even much rain, for that matter. And it has never been exposed to salted roads.
After inspecting this vehicle completely, it also occurs to me that the front cross member needs a drain hole. It is about $1,500 to replace and my cross member shows signs of water/dirt evaporation, so it didn't drain in the past, just evaporated, like our lakes out here in the Desert Southwest during this drought.
We welcome rain in the desert, but the thunderstorms can develop quickly....
I'll provide updates for drainage holes as I learn through various means and keep all posted, thanks for any more suggestions.
Ron
But, I really doubt I'll obtain such a referral, so I'll be happy to have an opinion on where to drill drainage holes, because my car is not exposed to salt air, or even much rain, for that matter. And it has never been exposed to salted roads.
After inspecting this vehicle completely, it also occurs to me that the front cross member needs a drain hole. It is about $1,500 to replace and my cross member shows signs of water/dirt evaporation, so it didn't drain in the past, just evaporated, like our lakes out here in the Desert Southwest during this drought.
We welcome rain in the desert, but the thunderstorms can develop quickly....
I'll provide updates for drainage holes as I learn through various means and keep all posted, thanks for any more suggestions.
Ron
Ron, I am always worried about the very thing that happened to you, so I have thought of possible plan-of-action. Although I have not had to do this yet, I would not hesitate to try it.
Alcohol, Methanol specifically, and water inter-molecularly mix which allows a way to dilute and remove the water that is trapped in the uni-body channels on the Pantera. It�s getting the alcohol in every place that there is water (maybe insecticide sprayer/pump) and then to drain it out, but it would remove every molecule of water from these �thorough bred Italian icons�.
Alcohol, Methanol specifically, and water inter-molecularly mix which allows a way to dilute and remove the water that is trapped in the uni-body channels on the Pantera. It�s getting the alcohol in every place that there is water (maybe insecticide sprayer/pump) and then to drain it out, but it would remove every molecule of water from these �thorough bred Italian icons�.
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Originally posted by ron norman:
I got stuck in a heavy downpour and would also like to know 'where should the holes be drilled for drainage,' please?
I've reviewed the diagram at www.panteraplace.com for vulnerability areas for rust and cannot find info telling us 'rust vulnerable' Pantera owners where exactly to drill drainage holes. The bottom of the doors, I suppose, toward the front if your car slopes down in front is a good starting place, but the bottom of the rocker panels really don't seem to offer a good location to drill drain holes. There was high vulnerabilty around the gas tank area too, but where should a hole be drilled?
After a torrential rain I got caught in, I worried a bit, and checked my car. I don't have any splash shields behind the front wheel wells by the door hinges and I noticed there was dirt that held the water in a sort of mud. This alerted me that this is gonna stay wet for days and promote rusting in that area.
So, another project I have is to jack up the back end in the driveway and get the hose and wash that dirt out of there so it doesn't retain moisture for so long. Then I'm gonna rust proof that area again, real well with some spray on material, after it dries for a few days in the summer heat.
The drains by the wipers seem OK, and mine are not plugged.
There are no spash shields on the rear wheel wells either, and I have no rust there, but maybe a nice place to drill a hole, unnoticable and probably not that significant, given the 'rust probability chart' that I saw.
Every one of us with these rare, thorough bred Italian icons has the same concern, but I haven't found a good answer. Please, we need help....
I've not used my A/C yet, but with all other vehicles I've driven with A/C, especially in humid conditions, there is ALWAYS a puddle under the car. The evaporator is under the dash and presumably has a hose to drain to the bottom of the car, outside. If this set-up is not present, or not funcioning properly because an old rubber hose broke, it could just leak the condensate water into the passenger compartment, soaking the carpet, maybe on the passenger side, where it may go unnoticed, and lead to RUST!!! Gonna have to check that.
The drain holes I sketched out in the Feb 02 POCA news are specifically in the lower rear frame extensions. Three (3) 1/2" holes more-or-less evenly spaced starting about 6" ahead of the rear of each frame extension take care of them (6 holes total), plus a single 3/8" or 1/2" hole at the lowest possible juncture of each suspension 'horse-shoe' leg (4 total) . The rocker panels need no drains as they are already so equipped. But the rocker drains are oval, with a thin divider across them. This is because the rocker panels are made in three pieces- an inner triangle, a straight center sheet full of big holes and an outer triangular piece. If someone jams a screwdriver blade up the hole and prys the center divider sideways while 'cleaning', it effectively seals off 1/2 of the rocker at that point.I've also seen rocker drains totally sealed by paint runs, and by excess undercoating. Door bottom drains are usually OK if not plugged by dirt washed down the side windows.