eBay Pantera @ 100K

The guy's shilling his own auction.

Reserve not met, I like the way the exhaust exits out.
Jeff

i am 99.9% sure that this car was at the "mcdonalds sta-bill" lakefront auto show a couple of saturdays ago.

very nice car, not my style-but very nice, but 100k is really big bucks for any set of wheels!

nazgul

Come on guys the car has already run 200mph
$100,000 is cheap for a 200mph car

Please..............

The car collecting community enthusiasts of the world monitors this forum. When they read that Pantera owners themselves don't believe our cars are worth their asking price, what kind of message is that sending? I would say this is just my two cents but that's the 1930's expression. In 2007, it's my hundred dollar opinion, and our cars should reflect that monetary value. Chuck

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Originally posted by Mark Mensen:
Come on guys the car has already run 200mph
$100,000 is cheap for a 200mph car

I will sell my 205 mph car for $90,000.

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Originally posted by DetroitDetomaso:
I will sell my 205 mph car for $90,000.

Might have to test drive. Lets see the Silverstate event is coming up later this year. Are the tires good?

Guys he spent over a hundred grand on that car if he had someone do all those mods. Pantera folk really do live in the past when it comes to what things cost.

At what point is it a custom car vs. an updated car?
It looks a lot like the current Dat-z to me.

What happened to the Pantera?

If you had the urge to hack up something why couldn't you do it to a Honda?

But you gotta admit, the car was done nice, maybe some things not to my taste-like the headlights-but done nice.
And if it sells, sets the stage for what kind of values our cars will see in the future.
Daniel

Not saying that a Pantera will not sell for 100,000, they will ! But there are other “show cars” for sale right now that are nicer cars with more money invested than that one offered for less. Here’s a 100,000 + Pantera


I like Mod's,,, but not to sure about the rear end of that car...... what is it trying to look like ?



http://www.panteracars.com/1112007TB.htm

No one said it isn't nice.
You will get no argument from me over values on the cars either. There is no question, to me, that Panteras are drastically undervalued.

It just strikes me as anoter example of one of the reasons why they are.

Lack of product identiy. What is that car? Is that a Lamboghini? People remeber Lamborghini for some reason. They can spell it too.

People look right at the Detomaso Pantera script on the car and ask "what is this?
A Detomaso Pantera! Yes, I see that, but what is is it?"

I guess I must be missing something here?

I hope his car goes through the roof, hey its knocking there now. Barrett-Jackson is driving the prices up on so many cars, hope one day I can see a pantera go there. Saw a blue one last year at Auburn. Never saw it on the block but there archives listed the auction it got up to 60k and did not meet reserve. My car is just as nice as that one and I would love to see that type of money in my hands.
Jeff

I really like that car! I wish the photos had been taken by someone who knew how to highlight the details better. There are some unique and stylistically appealing body mods there. The seller is not doing himself any favors with that paltry description either. The engine specs and the 200mph claim could use some backing up. Hopefully the owner is more forthcomming with potential buyers. In my E-Bay experience, you're way better off doing a detailed ad than you are answering a hundred E-Mails from people that seem to make a hobby of bugging you with innane questions...and have no intent to buy.
Quite a car. Hope he gets his price.
Mooso

4NHOTROD...you're right. This guy is the worst kind of bullshit. He's clearly bidding on his own auction (or having someone do it for him). His only two offerings are the Pantera and a tarted-up Mini Cooper. Between these two very different autos the same bidder has bid 5 times...and these are the ONLY bids he has ever placed. What are the odds of that happening with a legit bidder. Uh...zero.
The car may be nice, but I wouldn't trust a cheater. Especially one that is not smart enough to do a better job. Or thinks that everyone else is dumber than he is.
People like this guy tick me off.
200mph. Yeah. Right.
He should retract this auction in shame.
Mooso

If that is so, and he is bidding against himself, ebay would like to hear about it.

What I see in this auction is that it is unknown who is bidding on the car because the bidders ares imply identified as Bidder 1 and Bidder 2.

Am I missing something?

E-Bay is poorly structured to address complaints. I've seen hi-jacked auctions (where a computer whiz takes the whole ad placed by someone else and adds his name and phony direct buying rules) take many days to remove. Other auctions offer non-existant items at bargain prices to sucker in multiple victims before they are shut down. Shill bidders hardly interest E-Bay at all.
If this is a shill biding situation, you can bet the auction will end early or the bids will be retracted at the last minute, unless someone enters a legitimate bid. Otherwise, the shill will have to pay E-Bay...which would serve them right if this is what's going on.
On the Pantera and the Mini Cooper (see his other auctions) he is using the "protected bidder" option that hides info on the bidders. This makes the manipulation harder to spot. The same bidder has bid twice on the Pantera and three times on the Mini. If you check out the bidding info, these are the only bids this bidder has made. With thousands of cars to choose from on E-Bay at any given moment, what are the odds that the only cars that have ever interested this bidder are the exact two that this seller has for sale right now? Zero. It's a shill bid designed to fake some interest in these cars at these enormous prices. Trying to play the "bigger fool" theory that a numbskull with a big wallet will figure these cars are worth these prices because somebody else thought they were.
Pretty lame stuff.
Mooso

Moose is right shill bidding going on, happens all the time on ebay most people are a little better at it!

Click on the bid history and then view bidding details

If you look at the bid history, someone bid $1,015,000 and it showed up for a short time as a $275,000 bid as that is probably the reserve. Then it was retracted "entered wrong amount". Then the same person bid $100,000. Reserve not met. As long as the reserve is not met the seller doesn't have to pay the commission.

Shill bidding has been going on since day one at auctions. Live and on line. The more the item sells for, the more money the auction house makes.

The next time you go to a classic car auction, watch real closly and you'll see the shills working the price up.

Sorry, I'm just not feeling it. Maybe better photos would help out? Inspected ??? Inspected by whom ? I’m not to sure those body mod’s are helpful? I can find 3 or 4 clean cars right now that I would go for before that one regardless of the money.

Just for grins I emailed him to see who did the body, chassis and engine work. Valid questions for a "200 mph" car. For that kind of dough though the rear fenders look scrapped and dirty.
I know the trunk covers them but really...

Ya, motors not to clean, I would have dusted before the photo was taken

Here is the reply (quickly I'll say) from the seller...
"That would be me........i actually own a restoration shop in Chicago...Fastlane Autoworks, Inc............it took three years to get the car where it is right now .......thx...for looking"

Nice answer


Do we have any history on 3156 ?

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Do we have any history on 3156 ?

Nothing in the Bill Van Ess registry.

Nice job, but it doesn't look like any Pantera coming out of the factory anymore.

I contacted the seller via the ebay auction.
He said that he had spent $185,000 on the car.

Saw it on ebay again and it only reached $45,000 so this car will not sell until the owner needs money badly.