Hi!
Tried search but didn´t quite find an answer...
So my Q is what is max rim and tire in 17" that´ll fit w/ Gr 4 fenders? And with what back space? (i think i´ll be able calculate et-number fom there?)
Thank You
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Jami,
The original GR4 wheels were 15" dia. by 10" wide front and 14" wide rear and those widths would be about the limit I guess from several perspectives; a) Correct appearance under the fender flares b) rear tire availability and at 14" width you will be very limited in choice (as far as I'm aware just a Michelin pilot Sport Cup in the 345/30).
I only know of one car using aftermarket 14" wide wheels and that is Laslo Antal's in Australia and he makes it look awesome. For pics go to www.wildpantera.com
The GT5 & GT5S cars all have a 13" wide rear and I was told that the GR4 flares and GT5 flares are the same width (although I have not had this actually confirmed by anyone with a physical measurement). This opens up more options for tires with Michelin, Pirelli & Kuhmo at least having tire available in 335/30/17.
There was a lot of discussion on offsets/back spacing during the group Kodiak buy last year, I made my pourchase based on wanting to add GR4 flares, the following are the specs I went with;
Front 17" x 10" with 4 5/8" back space ( to inner flange)
Rear 18" x 13" with 4 3/4" back space.
My backspace decision was based upon dimensions Jim Cozzolino kindly supplied from his GT5. I went with 18" dia. for the rear as I wanted to accuent the nose down rake. You may want to do a search on some of the old posts, there is some valuable information available.
Whatever you go with be prepared for a wait, it seems that virtually all the wheel manufacturers are in excess of 6 weeks delivery times, some even longer. I'm very please with my Kodiaks; They are a great wheel, very light and a good price. All I have to do now is find a set of the steel GR4 flares with the same quality!
Julian
The original GR4 wheels were 15" dia. by 10" wide front and 14" wide rear and those widths would be about the limit I guess from several perspectives; a) Correct appearance under the fender flares b) rear tire availability and at 14" width you will be very limited in choice (as far as I'm aware just a Michelin pilot Sport Cup in the 345/30).
I only know of one car using aftermarket 14" wide wheels and that is Laslo Antal's in Australia and he makes it look awesome. For pics go to www.wildpantera.com
The GT5 & GT5S cars all have a 13" wide rear and I was told that the GR4 flares and GT5 flares are the same width (although I have not had this actually confirmed by anyone with a physical measurement). This opens up more options for tires with Michelin, Pirelli & Kuhmo at least having tire available in 335/30/17.
There was a lot of discussion on offsets/back spacing during the group Kodiak buy last year, I made my pourchase based on wanting to add GR4 flares, the following are the specs I went with;
Front 17" x 10" with 4 5/8" back space ( to inner flange)
Rear 18" x 13" with 4 3/4" back space.
My backspace decision was based upon dimensions Jim Cozzolino kindly supplied from his GT5. I went with 18" dia. for the rear as I wanted to accuent the nose down rake. You may want to do a search on some of the old posts, there is some valuable information available.
Whatever you go with be prepared for a wait, it seems that virtually all the wheel manufacturers are in excess of 6 weeks delivery times, some even longer. I'm very please with my Kodiaks; They are a great wheel, very light and a good price. All I have to do now is find a set of the steel GR4 flares with the same quality!
Julian
Are the original style Gr4 wheels still available at all? The wheels on Laslo's are not too bad but all of the after market shinny wheels look to much like jewelry and the wheels on the neighborhoods kids ricer. They just take a way from the style of the Pantera and make them look a Kmart car. I love the original GR4 wheels.
Julian, sounds like you've thought through your decision carefully. I happen to love the modern look of large diameter wheels on the Pantera, but finding the right mix of tires and correct offsets can be tricky.
Sounds like you got it!
Sounds like you got it!
I like the orignals to but they are too hard and costly to locate and tire sizes are obsolete .... so I'm considering options at this point ... I was considering the GR4 wheels in the larger 16 17 18 inch sozes but I have to agree .. I would like them in a brushed finish like the originals.
Ron
Ron
the original Campy magnesium wheels were painted, so paint the 16, 17, 18 inch wheels too. just because they come from the manufacturer bare aluminum doesn't mean they have to remain bare aluminum. I've seen owners paint the Campy clones and I think the results are quite attractive. If I were to purchae a set of Campy clones I would paint mine.
cowboy from hell
cowboy from hell
quote:Originally posted by george pence:
the original Campy magnesium wheels were painted, so paint the 16, 17, 18 inch wheels too. just because they come from the manufacturer bare aluminum doesn't mean they have to remain bare aluminum. I've seen owners paint the Campy clones and I think the results are quite attractive. If I were to purchae a set of Campy clones I would paint mine.
cowboy from hell
Problem is they all look like something Autozone had cut for 10 million customers. They don't look the same. I just love the old look of the original GR4.
Julian
Thanks for the link. Awesome cars and wheels looks very fine. Both (GT4 and GT5) rim designs are along the lines that i have had in my mind.
The thing is that in 16" (and 15" for that matter) there is limited variety of choises of good tires than in 17" - at least this is how it looks like from where i am anyway.
My rim/tire books (stro) says that for 335/35-17 tire 12" rim width is optimun (i.e. legal?). Thoughts on this one? I think it will depent to some extent the make of the tire also?
There is some decent lookin rims 10.5x17" and 13x17" but i´m not sure will these fit with Gr 4 flares (= GT4?)?
Thanks for the link. Awesome cars and wheels looks very fine. Both (GT4 and GT5) rim designs are along the lines that i have had in my mind.
The thing is that in 16" (and 15" for that matter) there is limited variety of choises of good tires than in 17" - at least this is how it looks like from where i am anyway.
My rim/tire books (stro) says that for 335/35-17 tire 12" rim width is optimun (i.e. legal?). Thoughts on this one? I think it will depent to some extent the make of the tire also?
There is some decent lookin rims 10.5x17" and 13x17" but i´m not sure will these fit with Gr 4 flares (= GT4?)?
I have group (GT4) flares on my car and have 10" x 17" wheels in the front and 13" x 17" wheels in the rear with 245/40/17 tires up front and 335/35/17 in the rear and they fit just fine with the flares. No rubbing. I used a standard GT5S offset when I ordered them. It is very similar to offset previously mentioned.
Hope that helps.
Hope that helps.
quote:Are the original style Gr4 wheels still available at all?
In my European eBay antics, I actually came across an Italian that worked for Campagnolo. He told me the company, and all the historical molds for all the Campy wheels used on various marques over the years, are now owned by a Japanese man. He went on to say the new owner was, basically, an asshole. This guy thinks he has nothing but pure gold with these molds, and any thought of reproducing any wheels is destroyed by his subsequent "you'll pay my price or go without" philiosphy.
Anyhow, I doubt that the demand for De Tomaso 15" wheels, even the rare 10",13",14" sizes would even come close to justifying a re-run of those sizes, even at a reasonable pricing. And as we all know, road/race worthy tires in those sizes are scarce as hen's teeth, anyway.
Larry
Larry,
In the new world ... if it isnt for sale it isnt worth nothing. The OLD MONOPOLIZING mentality is gone ... with the internet you can buy the same products elsewhere.
I have old parts from the STEAM HEATING days .. I listed them on EBAY and they sell like hot cakes ... my Dad has had them for 50 years ... they have 3" of dust on them. Now some are worth more as scrap Brass.
This old fellow will find in a few more years there will be no tires to mount on them ... then he tooo will have STEEL MOLDS he can get about .25 cents a pound for steel LOL
In the NY its too costly to store and warehouse scrap.
Ron
In the new world ... if it isnt for sale it isnt worth nothing. The OLD MONOPOLIZING mentality is gone ... with the internet you can buy the same products elsewhere.
I have old parts from the STEAM HEATING days .. I listed them on EBAY and they sell like hot cakes ... my Dad has had them for 50 years ... they have 3" of dust on them. Now some are worth more as scrap Brass.
This old fellow will find in a few more years there will be no tires to mount on them ... then he tooo will have STEEL MOLDS he can get about .25 cents a pound for steel LOL
In the NY its too costly to store and warehouse scrap.
Ron
quote:Originally posted by Throttled:
I have group (GT4) flares on my car and have 10" x 17" wheels in the front and 13" x 17" wheels in the rear with 245/40/17 tires up front and 335/35/17 in the rear and they fit just fine with the flares. No rubbing. I used a standard GT5S offset when I ordered them. It is very similar to offset previously mentioned.
Hope that helps.
What is std GT5S offset (i.e. you rims)? And do you have orginal ride height?
Yes that helps, thanks a bunch.