Help with Pantera Title

I can't speak for Aus, but you would have a difficult time importing that car into Canada. Remanufactured title usually indicates the car was crashed, or otherwise declared a total loss and then repaired to make it pass an inspection. It's critical that you first see if you can import (and, more importantly, road register) a car with a "branded" title. Then you need to find out WHY the car was a write-off. Possibly a flood or crash. Neither is good.

Good luck!

I don't know if Australia has relaxed it's import bureaucracy since I lived there 15 years ago, but I would be very reluctant to chance shipping a car with a reconstructed title that distance to test the system!

As Mark says you want to find out the history behind it as well to a) ensure you know what you are buying and b) satisfy customs if you do go that route. There are some total write offs that have re-appeared for sale in apparent good condition without any history disclosure. Fortunately the community does a good job of getting major accident information to Chuck and he gets it into the registry (www.provamo.com) for documentation.

If you can provide the last 4 digits of the VIN#, we may be of more help on the history side.

Where is the car located? You can often convince a local owner to do an inspection for you for the cost of gas and a 6 pack of their choice!

Julian

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Where is the car located? You can often convince a local owner to do an inspection for you for the cost of gas and a 6 pack of their choice!

Julian

Normally, I charge a 12 pack for inspection (and I still owe you one, Julian), but all of us enjoy having a good excuse to go check out a Pantera!

Rocky

Hi as long as you have a Vin # and bill of sale , or a reciept showing sellers details, purchase price and signed by them, you can apply for import approval in australia by the usual means.
The title will allow export out of USA. I dont see any reason why you would run into any issues in Australia, we dont need titles here at all, the Title in USA just allows you to be the owner and do what you want with it from there.

Thanks for the advice, mucy appreciated. I pulled the pin on the sale, I don't want a written off car anyways. My Importer flagged it when he saw the title. The car is at BHCC

The search continues..

You definitely made the right decision. BHCC is known for their sketchy cars.

If it was the red GT5 clone you did well to steer clear, even in the photos that car looks to have some serious panel fit issues around the rear decklid.

Keep an eye on any upcoming auctions;

Auctions America Ft. Lauderdale Mar 31- Apr 2 has 2 Pantera's on the docket, albeit one is a genuine late model GT5 and estimate $175-225K. The other is listed at $65-75K, but you never know, some buyers got lucky in January's auctions when a couple of nice Pantera's sold in the mid 50's.

Julian

I have a sad Budget of 50k at the moment. So looking for a project car. It will be raced so perfection is not vital.....is there a trusted Pantera Guy in the States I can hire to find me a car like this?

From the prior title discussion I assume it also needs to be street legal?

No can be in bits and rusted out just needs a clear title. It's the paper work that has to be right.

There's no provision to import a car "for racing purposes only"? How do purpose built race cars get in, they are sold on Bill of Sale only?

There is provision but they can't be licensed if brought in as a race car. You need a title if you want register the car in Australia.

Why do you need a title? like I said before the title means nothing here, Title only enables you to clear USA customs. And for that sake You can also use a bill of sale.

Have the seller get back a Clean and non (S)crap Titel..
all accound the world this is the legal paper.
No title = only crap/junk price.. easy....

MG

I have to say in no way did BHCC try to misslead me on the title, it was advertised as a salvage title, I had no idea what reconstructed meant.

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Originally posted by Mat_G:
Have the seller get back a Clean and non (S)crap Titel..
all accound the world this is the legal paper.
No title = only crap/junk price.. easy....

MG

Except in Australia then I presume.

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Originally posted by Mat_G:
Have the seller get back a Clean and non (S)crap Title..
all around the world this is the legal paper.
No title = only crap/junk price.. easy....

MG

The whole point of a 'reconstructed' title is to document the car was a total insurance loss i.e. salvage and has been reconstructed/rebuilt to be roadworthy again. You cannot simply get a 'clean' title, although in the past there were states that would not issue 'reconstructed' titles, which was a practice know as 'title washing', by registering the car in one of those states but I think those loopholes have been closed now.

Julian

I ended up buying a BHCC Pantera , the black car. It was a great deal, the title was ok for import and really the perfect car to convert to RHD and fit Grp4 flares and butcher up to my liking. I know the car will be a basket case but I love a restoration and her main duties will be vintage racing and so on. #3643
Lookimg forward to talking more Pantera's

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Originally posted by AlbanyGT40:
I ended up buying a BHCC Pantera , the black car....#3643
Lookimg forward to talking more Pantera's

Congradulations!

would this be the car?
3643 is not listed in ProvoMo, suggest becoming member and adding

http://www.provamo.com/Members.../ProvaMoRegistry.asp

I have emailed the details to Provomo. Should come up soon, Yep thats the car,got it for a good price. also got a Marti on it and the original colour is white.I know it will be ten times worse than the pics but sadly thats my budget.

any estimate on when it will be delieveried?


Hope you are not in the path of Debbie

Kool car I seen that one as well. You may be surprized when you get it, that its in better condition than you thought.

If you need bits and pieces look me when you get it, I am in Sydney.

I hope it is. The car is mostly complete and seems parts supply for Panteras is good.

HemiHunter I will need a fibreglass RHD dash board can you help me with that?

Cheers
Dave

Congrats and welcome to the fold. I see that car is currently listed on eBay for sale. Thought I would point that out.


Steve

Yeah I had noticed that myself and asked BHCC, they said the car doesnt have a buy it now option and will come down soon.

Big thanks to everyone on PI for looking out for me and helping me with info and warnings, very appreciated.

Dave i Think your best bet for a RHD dash would be Joe at Pantera Australia, i remember talking with him some time ago , and i think he said he had 1 available from memory

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Originally posted by AlbanyGT40:
I hope it is. The car is mostly complete and seems parts supply for Panteras is good.

HemiHunter I will need a fibreglass RHD dash board can you help me with that?

Cheers
Dave

Hi we have a guy over here that has commissioned a mould for RHD fibreglass dash, he has just completed his RHD conversion, I have purchased one ready for my conversion in winter this year, I can also organise new fabricated steelwork taken from an original RHD 1973 Pantera, we are in the process of drawing up all pieces for fabricating. These are new battery tray, steering column mounting bracket/ box, dash mounting brackets etc.. these are at early stages and everything is geared to being done this winter but if you are desperate we could fabricate earlier. We are hoping to produce location drawings with the parts to help with the installation.

Richard.

Sounds interesting Richard, Inwouldnlike
To know more.

My Importer has collected the Pantera from BHCC and its safely at their depot, just need some paper work then it can set sail to Oz....

Albany, POCA published a letter from an Aussie owner in the mid-'80s on LHD to RHD conversions. One left the pedal box on the left with the wheel & pedals operated by extensions??? Another cut the pedal box off the body and transferred it to the right, but flipped the stock rack over for use on the right. Is it true that nowadays, all such conversions must be approved by a State appointed mechanical engineer? Based on the above descriptions, that sounds like an excellent idea with a 150-mph machine!

Yes if the car is cut up and modified to much it would need Engineering.