This is probably a strange question, but how do you pronounce Tom Tjarda's last name?
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I believe it is just the way it is spelled T - jarda
Yep, he was actualy an American who went to Italy and started working for DeTomaso. That Dahlra guy who designed the suspension was an Italian guy who was working for Lambrogini and then DeTomaso stole him away and let him design their fromula cars. When Detomaso made him design passenger car suspensions he worked there long enough to design the Pantera then quit. He wanted to design race cars. Where as Tom was ok with designing cool sports cars.
Also this guy Name Peter Brock went over there in the sixties on loan from Shellby and designed a show car for Detomaso. He also designed the Daytona coup and worked with some guys from SOuth Africa to make a modern version of it. Carrol SHelby and Detomaso were buddies from way back until Ford gave Carrol the Daytona coupe to do for them. DeTomaso always thought he would get the call.
Also this guy Name Peter Brock went over there in the sixties on loan from Shellby and designed a show car for Detomaso. He also designed the Daytona coup and worked with some guys from SOuth Africa to make a modern version of it. Carrol SHelby and Detomaso were buddies from way back until Ford gave Carrol the Daytona coupe to do for them. DeTomaso always thought he would get the call.
10 points for DT. I believe it is Brock's idea for the center spine of the Mangusta.
char-duh
I believe the car that Brock did for DeTomaso was called the 70P. It was a real pretty car.
I believe that Detomaso gleaned the center spine concept from the Lotus Elan. Which is ironic because when Colin Chapman was at the 1969 or 70 Turin show he asked DeTomaso to build hima OHC V-8 for him. It isn't known if any were actualy built though.
I believe that Detomaso gleaned the center spine concept from the Lotus Elan. Which is ironic because when Colin Chapman was at the 1969 or 70 Turin show he asked DeTomaso to build hima OHC V-8 for him. It isn't known if any were actualy built though.
So shoot me for what has been quoted in the press. The center spine chassis was quoted as being Brocks back in the late '60s. I'm sorry, I must read too much.
Doug I am just now reading the book my Daughter got me for Christmas. It could be wrong ya know. A lot of this stuff is word of mouth, because no one knew back then if it was gonna be important some day or not so they didn't write everything down. Who knew some argintian was gonna make cars some day??
I'm always in jepardy because I beleived what I read. The worst is the NY Times. Quote them and someone will take a shot at you.
It will just bug me now until I find the source.
It is always a problem when one person is given the credit for designing, inventing, discovering things first.
America, the wheel, air. It doesn't really matter.
I should just sit in the corner and be quite.
It will just bug me now until I find the source.
It is always a problem when one person is given the credit for designing, inventing, discovering things first.
America, the wheel, air. It doesn't really matter.
I should just sit in the corner and be quite.
No Doug. This is like an opinion forum. Everyone has opinions. None of us are like certified experts. We are all here trying to help each other by offering up our opinions. You don't get to abdecate your duties so easily. No one holds it against anyone else if that someone is occasionaly mistaken. A lot of this stuff is speculation. There are no certified experts in Panetraology. We all just do the best we can.
Now get back in there and start a posting.
Now get back in there and start a posting.
Wow...I will admit that I am more of a reader than poster (still a newbie after 3+ years on the board - am I a voyeur?!), but you guys amaze me at how quickly the topic threads can meander into the most unpredictible places! I love this! I can't keep up.
Although I am much more enlightened about a lot of guys with names I can pronounce, I am still in a quandry about Mr. Tjarda. Although he is an American, I believe his name has its origins in Dutch. If that is the case, then as Jeff6559 points out, it would be "char-duh". But there is a unique enunciation on the "ch" when I hear a native Dutch speaker say it. I can't emulate it with unsophisticated american enunciations.
Although I am much more enlightened about a lot of guys with names I can pronounce, I am still in a quandry about Mr. Tjarda. Although he is an American, I believe his name has its origins in Dutch. If that is the case, then as Jeff6559 points out, it would be "char-duh". But there is a unique enunciation on the "ch" when I hear a native Dutch speaker say it. I can't emulate it with unsophisticated american enunciations.
Sean,
Mr Tjaarda's name has 3 "A's" in it.
If you have the opportunity to meet him, reach your hand out and tell him what a privelege it is to meet him, tell him what a lovely car he designed, you'll put a smile on his face, regardless if you ennunciate his name properly or not.
your friend on the DTBB
Mr Tjaarda's name has 3 "A's" in it.
If you have the opportunity to meet him, reach your hand out and tell him what a privelege it is to meet him, tell him what a lovely car he designed, you'll put a smile on his face, regardless if you ennunciate his name properly or not.
your friend on the DTBB
He will be at Italian Car Fest in Dallas in September. Bring your can and I'm sure he will autograph it for you.
Elaborate on the Dutch pronunciation because I think Char-duh is the Americanized version, per Dave Adler.
Jeff
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Elaborate on the Dutch pronunciation because I think Char-duh is the Americanized version, per Dave Adler.
Jeff
6559
Jeff,
I can't make Dallas, but I would like to meet him sometime....
I'll do my best to explain the Dutch pronunciation. The "tj" sounds like "ch" in church, but with less "s" sound and some "t" sound instead. An "a" appearing in the middle of a word has a short "ah" sound. Two "a's" in the middle is a more pronounced "ahhh" sound, almost like a doctor is looking into your throat. The "r" is heavily rolled, something that some Americans can't do. The "d" sounds like a "d". An "a" at the end of the word sounds like 2 "a's" in the middle of a word.
So....it might be something like tchahhhrrrdahhh.
I originally thought that someone who has met him (since he is so active still on the Pantera scene) would've been able to offer up the way HE pronounces it.
I can't make Dallas, but I would like to meet him sometime....
I'll do my best to explain the Dutch pronunciation. The "tj" sounds like "ch" in church, but with less "s" sound and some "t" sound instead. An "a" appearing in the middle of a word has a short "ah" sound. Two "a's" in the middle is a more pronounced "ahhh" sound, almost like a doctor is looking into your throat. The "r" is heavily rolled, something that some Americans can't do. The "d" sounds like a "d". An "a" at the end of the word sounds like 2 "a's" in the middle of a word.
So....it might be something like tchahhhrrrdahhh.
I originally thought that someone who has met him (since he is so active still on the Pantera scene) would've been able to offer up the way HE pronounces it.
George,
As always, your avatar puts a smile on my face!
As always, your avatar puts a smile on my face!
quote:Originally posted by sgarrett:
I originally thought that someone who has met him (since he is so active still on the Pantera scene) would've been able to offer up the way HE pronounces it.
Char-Duh comes from Dave Adler who knows Tom well.
George, I don't know how you do it. You are the MAN! 
I wish they all could be California girls...
quote:Originally posted by george pence:quote:Originally posted by Throttled:
...As always, your avatar puts a smile on my face!...
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