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In the US everybody learns to speak Spanish. Services are offered in Spanish everywhere in the US. But our neighbors in Ontario won't speak French and call us names instead. They make fun of our accent, our food, our customs and call us frogs, pepsis and poutine eating frenchies. Is that soft? Or ignorant?

Québec sait faire!
You are forgetting the half of Ontario that DOES speak French. Sure, it's not as large as the half of Québec that doesn't speak English, but at least the Ontario Francophones don't hate the concept of a united country.

Also, Ontario is officially bilingual (everything available in English and French). We're free enough to allow businesses to have their signs in whatever language they want—even if it has no English at all. In Ontario we call it freedom. In Quebec it's illegal to have an English only sign. The fines are high and the inspectors are the hardest-working and most diligent of all public officials. Known widely as the "language police". How utopian. Or is that DYSTOPIAN.

I don't read too much about Spanish speaking Americans trying to break away from the USA. Imagine trying to fine a store in LA for having a sign in English! Sure, there may not be many left, but it's not illegal!

Don't get me wrong, I love Frenching fast women and eating poutine. Smiler

Mark
Don't know the history of the rift between French Canadians and the other ones. I do know that at one time (before I was aware of "mouth hugs") I thought a french kiss was the sexiest thing anyone could do.

Along that line- You know what an "Australian Kiss" is don't you?

Like a "French Kiss" but way down under.

Play nice, ok?
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Play nice, ok?


It's all in fun, even if some of the facts are true. David makes like he's pure-blood French-Canadian but the truth is you'd never know he even lived there when you meet him. He just likes to see sparks fly. Closet radical, I think. I'm not even sure he likes poutine.

Mark
Yes I like the sparks. Will too!

Honestly, I hate f&%king separatists and stupid Québec laws designed to blind the ignorant and empower the crazy political parties that try to govern a region that doesn't want or need governing.

Luckily once you get out of Montreal, the people all speak English easily and couldn't care less about such stupid politics.

I lived in Toronto for a few short years, when Yorkville was fun and full of drugs and hippies.

But now I'd rather have the passionate, crazy Québecois to race on the streets than the lame Ontario pedestrians who freak out if you pass them when you're WALKING on the sidewalk. And don't try to cross in the middle of a street. Drivers and pedestrians will all lose their minds.

Ontario drivers (except Will, Wayne and a few other P-Car owners) are like robotic sheep on the road. Never mind exceed the speed limit - they can barely even get near it - they never look around them or in their mirrors. Why bother? Everyone is just tagging along behind the guy in front of them at whatever lame non-speed in whatever lane they just happen to be in.

In Quebec, people expect the unexpected so no one gets too excited by any sudden moves. Everyone pays enough attention to make sure they don't get in anyone else's way. This makes for a much freer existence. In Ontario I would be in jail for life.

Oh... and I love French girls AND poutine. Sometimes together.
Sorry for being slightly off topic, but the rift goes back to this:

“Je me souviens” on The Quebec license plate has a full significance of which cannot perhaps be readily expressed in English words but which may be paraphrased as conveying the meaning “We do not forget, and will never forget our ancient lineage, traditions and memories of all the past.” dating back to February 10th 1763

Today, when the French Canadian says “Je me souviens”, he not only remembers the days of New France (before the English invasion) but also the fact that he belongs to conquerors; thus not flying the Canadian Flag. (Although, I often see the “Fleur de Lys” next to “The Maple Leaf” myself)

Now, if a Quebecer from foreign origins says, “Je me souviens” this person says it from the hearth and both knows where their coming from. (Empathy towards the conquered)
It is not an easy line to cross and it doesn't happen over night but becomes bonding.

Separation of the province of Quebec is useless, futile and would not serve the people.

(Note in Nuevo Reino de Filipinas, now known as The State of Texas, you will see The Lone Star flying without
The Star Spangled Banner next to it, similar invasion/annexation/ separation of March 2nd 1836)

The original text was: “Je me souviens que né sous le lys, Je croîs sous la rose” Is translated in English as: “I remember that born under the lily (France), I grow under the rose (England)”

Witch gives the proper meaning of unison that we should all abide by.
Im Canadian. 100 %
I couldn't care less about Portugal.
Im tired of being told by Quebecers that their culture is better, their women are prettier, they drive better, on and on.......They tell you right to your face.
I have a question for the Americans on the list. What would you do if one group repeatedly told you that your state was shit? You can't drive. Your state is boring.....
That is a rhetorical question. I know exactly what you would do. You wouldn't put up with it.
I like Quebec and the rest of Canada. I just hate the clowns who tell me to my face that my home is shit and they are better than me. Nobody else in the world would put up with it. Only us soft Canadians.
Who else tells you things like that straight to your face? Only quebecers. I never hear it from Alberta, BC, East Coast.... Only Quebec.
How can you tell me people from Ontario drive worse than Quebecers? I've driven in Quebec a number of times in the last few years (never again).
You have the same clowns cruising in the left lanes as us.The same fat old people. The same young kids driving where they shouldn't be. The same jackasses that any city has on the roads. A$$holes weaving back and forth. New York, LA, Chicago, any big city has a$$hole drivers.
We don't exceed the speed limit? The average speed on the highways here is 115-120 in the middle lane. 125ish in the left lane. I drive the roads everyday, so don't try to tell me different. Might have been different in the 70's, but not now. The traffic slows with volume and construction, just as it does anywhere else in the world. Even in Quebec.
Do you have a "Chinatown" in Quebec? How do they drive there? Probably much better than here.
Quebecers will not wait in line on the roads. You've admitted that you drive passed everyone and squeeze in at the end. That is no different than budding in line at a restaurant. Thats good driving? Its blatantly ignorant.
You guys drive right through stop signs. Are you f%^kin kidding me. You hit my kid with your car and I'll do time for what would happen.
Quebec drove out a large number of people and businesses. The rest of Canada were glad to take them and live happily.
Kindly reply to Marks comments. It's bilingual everywhere in Canada, except in Quebec. Fair, huh?
I'm a proud Canadian and Im proud to live in Ontario. If a Quebecer, or anyone else, tries to tell me you're somehow better than me or put my home down, I have 2 words for you.
The second word is "off"
Will
Let's go back to the beginning of this post. Will says:

<< After a long winter and some small repairs, I finally got back on the road. Felt good to be back in the old girl. Went rippin around looking for some poutine eatin' frenchie prey, but nothin. They must be scared and hiding.>>

Who's starting up with who? He can give it but can't take it!

Anyhow, since Will doesn't drive fast or change lanes anymore, I'll correct myself. It's only Wayne.
HAHAHA.
I've been using the poutine thing since my video.Thats a joke.
The part about anyone saying their better than me still holds.
I went to Quebec (Mont St Anne) 15 years ago and had the worst vacation ever. If we spoke english, they would go out of their way to be ignorant.
For years I thought it was just the hillbillies out in the country that were like that. I was wrong. I've been out there a few times lately again and am told to my face:
Toronto is boring
our culture is better
we live better
we have better family life
we drive better....
I have never heard things like this anywhere else.
I drive fast and I change lanes. I'm just not an a$$hole on the road. There's a difference
When people visit my home, I don't try to tell them we are better.
I will, however, reply if they try to tell me they are better.
See the difference??
Didn't think so.
Will
Montreal's Chinatown is 2 streets long, so you can't say much about Montreal Chinese 2 lane double parking.

And speaking of China, got a little story for you: this old man was sitting on a bench, when an out-of-towner asked him: 'How are the people here? Are they friendly and helpfull?' to witch the old man asked: 'How were the people where you came from?', he said: they were mean and selfish, Well, the old man anwered, You will find the same people here.


I was always welcomed in any city I have visited in the world, mind you I have heard terrible stories of other people visiting the same places I have been to.

Happy 46th birthday Will, health, Pantera passion and friendship till the end good buddy and lay off those Rupsades, you know they make your latin blood boil and you get hyper

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Ok I have to chime in on this one, since I live in Ontario and work in Quebec.

Language, for some absurd reason, complicates things. Not just linguistically, but by this artificial notion of its cultural reference. People share the same geography, education, career, lifestyle, food, drink, yet they swear up and down to be culturally distinct. I've been to a lot of places and guess what - people aren't that different despite their unique language.

Things would be a lot easier if we all just spoke the same language. And I don't care which one. Monglian. Swahili. Whatever, pick one. Let's all speak it. Starting tomorrow. It will make life a lot easier.

Like the great Doug Stanhope says, if you happen to be in a dark sidestreet in Eastern Europe, negotiating with a russian prostitute, and your Berlitz guidebook is a little fuzzy on the distinction between 'anal' and doggie style', it's not going to save you from a beating by a Bulgarian pimp.

Happy Birthday Will.
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ike the great Doug Stanhope says, if you happen to be in a dark sidestreet in Eastern Europe, negotiating with a russian prostitute, and your Berlitz guidebook is a little fuzzy on the distinction between 'anal' and doggie style', it's not going to save you from a beating by a Bulgarian pimp.


BAWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
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Like the great Doug Stanhope says, if you happen to be in a dark sidestreet in Eastern Europe, negotiating with a russian prostitute, and your Berlitz guidebook is a little fuzzy on the distinction between 'anal' and doggie style', it's not going to save you from a beating by a Bulgarian pimp.

Too funny!!! roll on floor
Holy crap !
I can't tell if you guys are serious or are just messin with each other.

Will, great to see the car back looking as good as ever. Enjoy.

Oh, heading back to Will's place after Italian Car Day, Will and Wayne were having some fun on 407 and there was no way I could keep up. That would solve the question of whether he drives fast.

All you eastern Canada P-guys, enjoy the driving season and be safe.

Doug M
Happy Birthday Will!

And Congratulations on getting the cat back on the road!!!

David, I started to daydream about a two-years-less-a-day vacation, but discovered that those are shots of a prison in Austria, you'd have to be extradited if you wanted to play foosball or ping-pong with the lads in the yard. It is true that Toronto does have a spiffy new prison in Etobicoke, I just don't know if you'll get a masseuse and cordon bleu chef at your beck and call ... You might want to go easy on the loud pedal until you at least know whether the showers are communal or not Eeker

On the plus side, while you're on the inside you could always spend your time in the auto shop working on a Grp 4!
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Unrelated, but have a look at this! Proof about how soft we are in Canada.

Can you guess what this nice facility is?


Great. Now you've got me going about our government. Why not throw in a religious comment.
Will ( I would rant but I don't want my head cut off)
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