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After getting all my black door and flutes gutter rails repainted in Satin and having new door hinge pins made to stop the top corner of the door just catching the top of the B post.

I adjusted the doors and all was perfect.

Then I took off all the wheels to do other jobs and have now found that when on axle stands the body flexes and causes this.

I am so Pi--ed off

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My experience with the doors hitting means that something in the rocker panels is either rotted through or disconnected.

It is more common in a convertible but I have seen it in 4 door sedans also.

When you change the anti-sway bars to larger ones, the issue is accelerated/exasperated and can break the spot welds or actually crimp the rocker right next to the dimple welds in the rockers as well.

It doesn't always show to the naked eye though on the exterior, strange as it may sound?

The rockers are usually just either 18 or 20 gauge steel and the shape is what adds the rigidity.

Where the striker post in the Pantera connects to the rocker panel is always suspect.

When Hall built the "T" top, he ran a reinforcing tube inside of that rocker. The first try of driving the car without them showed the car flexed and twisted so badly the T tops broke.

You may think you are imagining a change in handling and a change in feel in the steering.

In a Pantera you might not notice the change in feel. Cars with power steering will tend to show that particularly with computer controlled variable assist power steering.

Sometimes the door on the side that is effected will squeak?

I would examine those rockers further to eliminate this as a possibility. If the structural integrity has been compromised, it will only get worse.

After all, the Pantera itself is not known for it's rust resistance.
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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
My experience with the doors hitting means that something in the rocker panels is either rotted through or disconnected.

It is more common in a convertible but I have seen it in 4 door sedans also.

When you change the anti-sway bars to larger ones, the issue is accelerated/exasperated and can break the spot welds or actually crimp the rocker right next to the dimple welds in the rockers as well.

It doesn't always show to the naked eye though on the exterior, strange as it may sound?

The rockers are usually just either 18 or 20 gauge steel and the shape is what adds the rigidity.

Where the striker post in the Pantera connects to the rocker panel is always suspect.

When Hall built the "T" top, he ran a reinforcing tube inside of that rocker. The first try of driving the car without them showed the car flexed and twisted so badly the T tops broke.

You may think you are imagining a change in handling and a change in feel in the steering.

In a Pantera you might not notice the change in feel. Cars with power steering will tend to show that particularly with computer controlled variable assist power steering.

Sometimes the door on the side that is effected will squeak?

I would examine those rockers further to eliminate this as a possibility. If the structural integrity has been compromised, it will only get worse.

After all, the Pantera itself is not known for it's rust resistance.

Hello Doug,

I do get your point, and rocker problems would make flex more apparent in the body.

The point I was trying to make was that the doors missed the B post when on wheels but didn't when on Jacks. My inner and outer Rockers are sound.
Pics of the inner rockers are on provamo, car 3840 Pete
Peter. Don' take it personally. I am speaking in generalities.

At the moment I have to do my Taurus SHO. It doesn't show at all from the outside but when you jack up the car you can't open the door.
Very similar to your situation.

I had a customers 72 Mustang convertible and it was the opposite. When you open the door the car would sag. The door would keep the car from springing.

I gave that one "out" rather then do it myself. It was a $10,000 repair.

I did a partial rocker on my Pantera. Right rear. About 20" of it.

I'm wondering if there is a left to right twisting on your car?

I have a roll bar in my car. It bolts to the bulkhead, the inner rockers and to the roof above the doors.

I can't say that it positively eliminated the twist but it certainly reduced it and strangely enough, the car feels more solid.

It may just be that I expect it to be stiffer? I don't know.

The floorpans are also lowered 2". If you look at what that does in cross section, you can see the increase in the depth of the "beam. It acts very much like the hollow section of the rockers, but in the opposite direction.

The only negative is that this probably will just cause stresses somewhere else? Then I will go to plan B, whatever that is. That's undetermined right now.
Pete,

I have to agree with Doug on this one, (there I said it!).

The photos show both doors have dropped equally so the body is flexing front to rear, not twisting. All the chassis brace kits connect side to side to prevent twist, so would not address this issue.

Where are you placing your jack stands i.e. is there a significant portion of the rear weight behind your axle stands that would exacerbate the situation?

Julian

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