This red '72 is for sale Fri. Dec. 5, 2014.........
https://www.mecum.com/lot-deta...lot_id=KC1214-199641
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Beautiful car, I say the car should sell for between 90 and 110 thousand, but I think the hammer will fall at $85,00.00
The hammer dropped at $49,000, the reserve went off at $45,000.
If you need an appraisal on your DeTomaso, I'd contact Chris!...Markquote:Originally posted by pantera chris:
Beautiful car, I say the car should sell for between 90 and 110 thousand, but I think the hammer will fall at $85,00.00
Car has a GREAT induction system & CRAPPY flow restricting exhaust/mufflers.quote:Originally posted by PanTTera:
This red '72 is for sale Fri. Dec. 5, 2014.........
https://www.mecum.com/lot-deta...lot_id=KC1214-199641
Also the gated shifter is missing some fingers. ( Great Eyes!!!)
I'd consider the hammer price of $49,000.00 was...."Well Bought"...Mark
Nice mirrors too, does somebody know the brand of those mirrors?
Simon
simonvels@kpnmail.nl
Simon
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I am not so sure the car is that well bought. I believe there have been Pantera's on this forum alone that appear better for less money and you don't have another commission/buyers fee to deal with. This car did look nice on the outside and the engine/induction system maybe the best part. But that interior I would say was far below average for what some were expecting the value of the car to hit (Cracks in the consol, gated shifter cut, old looking cloth seats). Personally I kind of found (from the pictures anyways) the interior to have a dry rot look that someone had tried to polish. The wheels would also likely distract as many buyers as they would draw in. And who knows what it was like underneath. Without being there to inspect its tough to say.
I share your opinion otis. Car looks great from outside on the pics but kinda showered with red.
Inside is a desaster wrong seats wrong steering bad dash gives the idea of a high mileage car. Why didn't they tell any mileage on the advert?
Hagerty says a 1972 Pantera gives $54.938 in average which is what we have here with the fees on top.
So I think it is an OK buy if the underneath of the car does not show any desasters.
But prices seem to raise which is good for anyone that ownes a Pantera.
Inside is a desaster wrong seats wrong steering bad dash gives the idea of a high mileage car. Why didn't they tell any mileage on the advert?
Hagerty says a 1972 Pantera gives $54.938 in average which is what we have here with the fees on top.
So I think it is an OK buy if the underneath of the car does not show any desasters.
But prices seem to raise which is good for anyone that ownes a Pantera.
I may be in the minority about pantera prices, but as long as i not going to sale my car prices going up are a bad thing. The more the car is worth the more it will cost to insure and maintain
My garage guys charge me the same money for a Pantera or a Porsche no matter what it is worth.
Insurance, well, ok but we are not yet in the really high price regions.
Insurance, well, ok but we are not yet in the really high price regions.
Your thought process/rationale is counter-intuitive as is your avatar.quote:Originally posted by ttam23:
I may be in the minority about pantera prices, but as long as i not going to sale my car prices going up are a bad thing. The more the car is worth the more it will cost to insure and maintain
Your Detomaso Pantera's monetary appreciation will vastly surpass any insurance rate increase, & your 351 Cleveland parts will still remain a BARGAIN, NO matter the price of your Pantera.
Also your insurance is based on the valuation of the car...ANY car.
So depending upon when you bought your Pantera, you paid accordingly, whether it was 1971 valuation or a 2014 valuation.
If your house goes up in value...Do you worry about the price of a gallon of paint?!...it's a rhetorical question!!!
$11,000.00 in 1971 is 64,410.52 in 2014.
Inflation Calculator
$11,000.00
In 1971
to 2014
Value: $64,410.52
Annual Inflation: 4.20%
Total Inflation: 485.55%
So as you can see/read, your/ours Pantera value/s have kept up with inflation.
Recent prime example of a car whose value has Skyrocketed is the Ford GT, which has Doubled!!!...Mark
I know my statement is counter-intuitive thats why I said I may be in the minority.
Is the pic in your avatar your car ttam?
If so don't mind about the insurance, this car is written off. ;-)
If so don't mind about the insurance, this car is written off. ;-)
No that's not my car in the avatar. It is just a pic i got off the internet .
quote:Originally posted by ttam23:
I may be in the minority about pantera prices, but as long as i not going to sale my car prices going up are a bad thing. The more the car is worth the more it will cost to insure and maintain
I understand this. Look at the price of parts lately. In addition, more people will park and/or hoard their cars.
Gentleman!, Gentleman!!....We are NOT talking about an Enzo Ferrari!...We are talking about a DeTomaso Pantera, where a "Nice" driver example can be purchased for $45,000.00.quote:Originally posted by RRS1:quote:Originally posted by ttam23:
I may be in the minority about pantera prices, but as long as i not going to sale my car prices going up are a bad thing. The more the car is worth the more it will cost to insure and maintain
I understand this. Look at the price of parts lately. In addition, more people will park and/or hoard their cars.
The average cost of a NEW car is $32,000.00. Where is ALL this talk of "Expensive Panteras/ parts" coming from??!!
I own amongst 13 other Sports cars a 1991 Ferrari Testarossa, a front wheel bearing is $800.00!!!...I could do NUMEROUS FULL Tune-Ups on my 351 Cleveland for $800.00.
If certain members feel nervous/anxious owning/driving a DeTomaso Pantera with a value slightly greater than that of a new Mini Van, my suggestion would be...SELL to an owner that DRIVES & ENJOYS their DeTomaso Pantera, and buckle yourself up in that new Mini Van.
I'm sure you will get good use out of the 10 cup holders!!!...Mark
It's all relative. Pantera's have laid around for years, now asking prices are doubling in a few years with the anticipation they'll go even higher, it's human nature to stop and pause.
In addition, Pantera owners are not like allot of typical Exotic owners that have money to trade in and out of cars. All the owners I know have owned their cars for many years, none carry the Ferrari snob personality. The idea that they could actually make a good amount of money now will again, make many stop and think about it.
In addition, Pantera owners are not like allot of typical Exotic owners that have money to trade in and out of cars. All the owners I know have owned their cars for many years, none carry the Ferrari snob personality. The idea that they could actually make a good amount of money now will again, make many stop and think about it.
Well I do understand the discussion not in terms of parts but in terms of buying for some people because the cars tend to get a little more expensive which is good in my opinion. They are kept and looked after better then they were when prices were really down.
I mean look at the Mustangs and Vettes of the 70s, most are rotten. Why, because you get a rotten one for nothing so why repair something or keep it in good condition.
But if you have a Pantera and were lucky to buy it for little money just keep it.
By the way as I told earlier, a Testa is way cheaper to buy in Europe then a Pantera which is upside down in the US. Parts of course are more expensive for the Testa but it is correct that if you can't afford it, just don't do it.
It is that simple.
I mean look at the Mustangs and Vettes of the 70s, most are rotten. Why, because you get a rotten one for nothing so why repair something or keep it in good condition.
But if you have a Pantera and were lucky to buy it for little money just keep it.
By the way as I told earlier, a Testa is way cheaper to buy in Europe then a Pantera which is upside down in the US. Parts of course are more expensive for the Testa but it is correct that if you can't afford it, just don't do it.
It is that simple.
Being that I own both a 1991 Ferrari Testarossa & a 1972 DeTomaso Pantera, and feel I am familiar & up to date in regards to pricing/values of both cars in America & overseas, I would SERIOUSLY question that a Testarossa & DeTomaso Pantera in similar conditions, that the Testarossa is as you stated "way cheaper to buy in Europe".quote:Originally posted by gilles027:
Well I do understand the discussion not in terms of parts but in terms of buying for some people because the cars tend to get a little more expensive which is good in my opinion. They are kept and looked after better then they were when prices were really down.
I mean look at the Mustangs and Vettes of the 70s, most are rotten. Why, because you get a rotten one for nothing so why repair something or keep it in good condition.
But if you have a Pantera and were lucky to buy it for little money just keep it.
By the way as I told earlier, a Testa is way cheaper to buy in Europe then a Pantera which is upside down in the US. Parts of course are more expensive for the Testa but it is correct that if you can't afford it, just don't do it.
It is that simple.
I believe quite firmly that whomever told you that...Was pulling on your twig & berries!...Mark
Well don't get me wrong rocket, but no one told me that, I am as familiar as you are with the prices.
Pantera will give round about 60k Euro in good shape whilst you can have Testas for less then that here, ok no way cheaper but a little cheaper. That is just the whole story. I know in US a Testa gives more then a Pantera but this is not the way over here, its kinda upside down.
I just had a look at the US market at hagerty.com and they say (TODAY) 1991 Testa gives $65k and a 1974 L gives the same amount of money, sou?!
There are way more Testas on the market then DeTomaso in Europe that is just the whole story.
I have had Ferrari, 11 Porsches of any kind, Ruf, RS 993 Turbo and so on, Lotus whatsoever, Caterham have two de Tomaso right now had a 964 Speedster lately (you get round about five Testas over here for that car). So i think that should proove my CV in terms of cars.
It is just another market here. I do understand that you like the Testa more which is ok for me.
He pulled my what "whufzwf37525%§%§" rocket? sorry no native speaker.
Pantera will give round about 60k Euro in good shape whilst you can have Testas for less then that here, ok no way cheaper but a little cheaper. That is just the whole story. I know in US a Testa gives more then a Pantera but this is not the way over here, its kinda upside down.
I just had a look at the US market at hagerty.com and they say (TODAY) 1991 Testa gives $65k and a 1974 L gives the same amount of money, sou?!
There are way more Testas on the market then DeTomaso in Europe that is just the whole story.
I have had Ferrari, 11 Porsches of any kind, Ruf, RS 993 Turbo and so on, Lotus whatsoever, Caterham have two de Tomaso right now had a 964 Speedster lately (you get round about five Testas over here for that car). So i think that should proove my CV in terms of cars.
It is just another market here. I do understand that you like the Testa more which is ok for me.
He pulled my what "whufzwf37525%§%§" rocket? sorry no native speaker.
Nice collection of cars!quote:Originally posted by gilles027:
Well don't get me wrong rocket, but no one told me that, I am as familiar as you are with the prices.
Pantera will give round about 60k Euro in good shape whilst you can have Testas for less then that here, ok no way cheaper but a little cheaper. That is just the whole story. I know in US a Testa gives more then a Pantera but this is not the way over here, its kinda upside down.
I just had a look at the US market at hagerty.com and they say (TODAY) 1991 Testa gives $65k and a 1974 L gives the same amount of money, sou?!
There are way more Testas on the market then DeTomaso in Europe that is just the whole story.
I have had Ferrari, 11 Porsches of any kind, Ruf, RS 993 Turbo and so on, Lotus whatsoever, Caterham have two de Tomaso right now had a 964 Speedster lately (you get round about five Testas over here for that car). So i think that should proove my CV in terms of cars.
It is just another market here. I do understand that you like the Testa more which is ok for me.
He pulled my what "whufzwf37525%§%§" rocket? sorry no native speaker.
I was seriously in the market for a "Flachbau" ("slantnose") 930 under the "Sonderwunschprogramm" (special order program) but trying to find a REAL documented one proved to be quite exhausting & frustrating as Porsche did not keep very good records & in America, RUF did many conversations.
Currently I'm looking to purchase a 1973 lotus elan plus 2 s130, I REALLY LIKE the styling!!!
A translation of "someone pulling on your twig & berries" into German would be "Ziehen sie ihren schwanz und die hoden".
Do you ever vacation at the Bodensee? ...Mark
Well I am at the Bodensee from time to time, it is not that far away, just 200 kilometers. But not for vacation, I prefer the cote d'azure or the northern part of italy for holidays.
I have been there at Auer Racing/BMW for the Backdraft Motorsports X-Bow i bought a few years ago. Was a nice car but kind of Batman when you drove. It produced too many attention from my point of view.
The slantnoses are hmmm, sometimes there is a cheap car on the market and then you see a car with a massive price tag due to the slant nose. I can have a look for such a car. I know a collector that probably owns such a thing but his price tag will be infinite.
Ah ok, that's what you meant, I thought that but didn't want to write.
I have been there at Auer Racing/BMW for the Backdraft Motorsports X-Bow i bought a few years ago. Was a nice car but kind of Batman when you drove. It produced too many attention from my point of view.
The slantnoses are hmmm, sometimes there is a cheap car on the market and then you see a car with a massive price tag due to the slant nose. I can have a look for such a car. I know a collector that probably owns such a thing but his price tag will be infinite.
Ah ok, that's what you meant, I thought that but didn't want to write.