I'm doing a new stroker engine for my 1973 l I ordered a pan from Aviad the page I had for a 351 w block was not the pn# they sent me they said it must have been an old catalog it was supposed to be 9qrt they tell me it's 7qrt I can send it back I thought I was buying the best but I'm disappointed in what I got it a 4 bolt main dart block with 9.5 deck callies crank and rod kit 438cid CHI heads 3v225R and Inglese fuel injection anybody have a suggestion for a pan or should I keep the avaid
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You have a 351w block.

This is the pan for the Cleveland in a Pantera.

http://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/...s_sbf_cleveland.html

This is the pan for a Windsor block in a Pantera.

http://aviaid.com/shopsite_sc/..._oilpns_sbf-ss3.html

I don't know why you loose capacity with it. I think the answer simply is that the block is different enough that they need to fit a smaller pan to it to fit the chassis?

I have the Aviaid in my Pantera. I have a Canton in my Shelby.

I actually think that the Canton is a higher quality.

The Aviaid is old school and being built the same way as in the 60's and early '70's.

The finish could be A LOT better.

Armondo's is really the same pan but it now more expensive.

7 quarts is ok in a Pantera but in addition I'm using an oil cooler with dual oil filters with it. By the time I fill the system it's about 12 quarts.

It takes so long to heat the oil up I have to use a remote oil thermostat.

Oil that is too cool is as bad as too hot.

7 without a cooler is probably fine for the street.

The problem with the original 5 quart system is similar to the original 5 quart FE pan. You are going to pump the pan dry at high rpm.

That would not be a good thing to do. Smiler
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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
The problem with the original 5 quart system is similar to the original 5 quart FE pan. You are going to pump the pan dry at high rpm.

That would not be a good thing to do. Smiler


Agreed, but just in case someone says "well I have a rev limiter" so it's okay, it's not only high rpm. High cornering 'G force' IMO is more prevalent and as example my GT5 had a high capacity 9 quart pan on it when I purchased it. At the Fun Rally first time on track I was losing oil pressure in some of the corners, thus even on a 9 quart pan oil was walking up the sidewalls of the pan under high g force. I removed the oil pan when I got home to discover it was simply a high capacity and had no baffles to prevent oil moving away from the pickup. I since installed a baffled Aviaid pan as preventing the pickup running dry is more important than pure volume.

Julian
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Originally posted by Joules:
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Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
The problem with the original 5 quart system is similar to the original 5 quart FE pan. You are going to pump the pan dry at high rpm.

That would not be a good thing to do. Smiler


Agreed, but just in case someone says "well I have a rev limiter" so it's okay, it's not only high rpm. High cornering 'G force' IMO is more prevalent and as example my GT5 had a high capacity 9 quart pan on it when I purchased it. At the Fun Rally first time on track I was losing oil pressure in some of the corners, thus even on a 9 quart pan oil was walking up the sidewalls of the pan under high g force. I removed the oil pan when I got home to discover it was simply a high capacity and had no baffles to prevent oil moving away from the pickup. I since installed a baffled Aviaid pan as preventing the pickup running dry is more important than pure volume.

Julian


It is a combination of the two. Driving conditions and cornering g-forces have just changed since 1972 substantially. The requirements have been upgraded.

Frankly though the Pantera if used even close to it's capability really could benefit from a dry sump system.

At that point it is at a factory GT car like a GT40. The "40" has more available space for the tanks and the 289 works better with the firewall/bulkhead.

When Carroll Smith "determined" that the Pantera won't make a race car, things like that is what he was referring to.

The problem is where to put everything for the dry sump system though.

Just the tank alone is an issue. Probably where the GT4 cars "auxiliary" fuel tank was would work with a tank molded into that cavity.

The engine compartment generally does not lend itself well to the necessary add-ons.


One thing additional that the Chevy wet pans have that the Fords don't are the swing pick up.

I think I recall one of the pan companies Bruce Jodar of the original Cobra Club contracted with to build a 427 Cobra pan was to incorporated the swing pick up?

Long time ago already. I don't remember the exact details now, just the generalities.
Thanks Doug,the Windsor block has a taller deck 9.5 the Cleveland is 9.2 there original pn# was for 9qrts with the Windsor block but when I talked to Stephanie at Aviaid no knowledge must be old # ? I am not very impressed with the quality of there work or the fact that it lost 2 qrts I think they are just making a cheaper product less metal less capacity I wasn't impressed with the welding or the finnish,i have been around the racing game for many years in NASCAR and vintage racing my shelby and the quality was better with canton I also crewed for the late Carroll Smith on his sons Earls sponsored formula Atlantic Toyota and the GT40 reunion at Watkins Glen with Brian Redman and Jackie E and Bob Bondurant and Sir Sterling Moss in a MK2 And MK4 427 FE engines
I was at the Glenn in 92 with SAAC and saw the cars. First time the three MkII's were together since Lemans. I'm not sure my feet ever touched the ground?

Canton workmanship is definitely better then the Aviaid. The plating is holding up much better as well.

Canton will build a pan for you but surprised they don't have one in the catalog already?

They discussed doing a cast aluminum "Cobra" FE pan for me but were afraid of the crap in the aluminum of the pan.

Make sure the pan has a scraper in it.

This isn't the Pantera pan but I posted it so you could see the diamond shape gates, the bolt on top to that box and the scrapper attached to one side of the pan.

There are some pans that just have additional capacity with none of these attributes.

Aviaid was really the innovator but the ideas are not pattented and anyone can copy them.

I know of and have the Aviaid pan and the Canton. Both are identical technology. The Canton has a better finish cosmetically.

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