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Anyone doing it?

I started a year ago and it has been great. It would be worth it to get your levels tested if you feel horrible, your libido is low or you just feel rickety and creaky. I was all three of those things, and I cannot imagine going back to the way I felt.

I started to feel good, started lifting again, straightened out my diet and am starting to look like an athlete again. Fat is down, as is chronic back pain, cholesterol and blood pressure. Energy is up. It has been a huge change.

I only mention it because I know many (most?) of us are over 40.
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My back hurts, I feel weak at age 53. I had MY testosterone level checked and it was OK. The level should be between the high and low kinda like any blood test. Some of this is just crap, you have to be able to measure something before you claim to have replaced it. Like toxins in your body. Show me the numbers. Robert, your diet and exersize may be doing more than anything. I'm so stiff in the morning I can barely get out of bed... I do loosen up during the day. Bill 1362
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Originally posted by lastpushbutton:
My back hurts, I feel weak at age 53. I had MY testosterone level checked and it was OK. The level should be between the high and low kinda like any blood test. Some of this is just crap, you have to be able to measure something before you claim to have replaced it. Like toxins in your body. Show me the numbers. Robert, your diet and exersize may be doing more than anything. I'm so stiff in the morning I can barely get out of bed... I do loosen up during the day. Bill 1362

Robert is right, test first. If you don't feel right, many people will just blame it on age, but many other things could be going on such as low thyroid or something else. I used to fall a sleep at the wheel while in college and just attributed it to too much work going on; until I rear-ended a cops wife (or maybe girlfriend Big Grin), while he was in another car a couple cars behind. Then after visiting the doc & blood tests, I found I had low thyroid and just needed that regulated with some tabs.
OK, here are the details for anyone that is interested.

I was feeling like crap. I had been out of the gym for six years with a back injury that left me functional, but unable to push myself physically. I had chronic muscle cramps in my back, shoulders and neck that my wife would dig her elbows into every night to get some relief and range of motion back. I was miserable. I realized I was making old man noises when I would get up off the couch. I was tired all the time.

On a fluke, I was referred to a doctor to redesign his website. He did medically supervised weight loss and TRT (Testosterone Replacement Therapy). I had heard about TRT years earlier, but dismissed it because it was lumped in with all the HGH (Human Growth Hormone) anti-ageing voodoo crap that cost a fortune and didn't make you immortal like they promise.

I told the doctor about my problems and he said I could at least get my Test levels tested. They came back low. They were not in the low part of the normal range, they were outside the range. REALLY low. He knew I was a skeptic (about everything, not just this) and said I could give the treatment a try and decide for myself it worked.

I have a bodybuilding past and have researched steroids since I was a kid, but never used them. I had no fear of testosterone injections so I figured, "what the hell." I bring this up because this is basically low dose steroids. If you were doing a cycle, you would take 600mg/wk or more of Test...but TRT is only replacing the Test that your body no longer produces on its own...100mg - 200mg/wk. The point is to get you back to the high part of the normal range. Basically they want you to have the Test levels of an 18 year old. They have creams if you think you cannot inject, but they don't work as well. Injections are the way to go, and it is only scary the first time.

I started the treatment and didn't change much of anything else in my life. After three weeks my energy levels seemed better, but it could have been the placebo effect. What WASN'T the placebo effect was the chronic pain started to lessen. After four of five weeks (it takes around four weeks for a long ester drug to get your blood levels up) my knots were gone and I was able to lift for the first time in over six years. I started really light to be safe. I started putting on muscle and losing fat quickly despite not working out hard or changing my diet much.

I had more energy and didn't feel as depressed.

The biggest changes were embarrassing. Morning wood. Increased libido. Noticing women again. I had basically lost interest in sex, which is not good when married to a woman ten years younger.

Feeling good again got me to slowly tighten my diet and start lifting heavier. Eventually I got back into my old bodybuilding habits. At the end of the year I had put on 25 pounds of muscle and lost 40 pounds of fat. In six months I should be back to the best shape of my life. This is not typical though as I eat a strict diet. Same things every day. And I spent four to six hours in the gym every week (including cardio). Doesn't seem like much, but that was hundreds of hours last year. I do it rather than watch TV.

Hudson - no, these are not supplements. It is prescription-only testosterone. It literally replaces the testosterone that your body is no longer making (assuming you have low test levels).

lastpushbutton - you are correct that my diet and exercise are doing a lot now. Not in the beginning though. You are right that there is a lot of crap...there are a lot of people running expensive clinics that don't care about health, just profits. They need to be avoided at all costs. You are also right that it isn't for anyone that has tests done and finds that they are in the normal range. There are a thousand things that can be wrong with the body - this is just one.

DOES200 - I think this is one of many things that people used to call "old age." And thyroid is something these docs will often look into as well. It isn't a magic bullet, but if someone has this specific problem, it is treatable. AND, the odds of us having this problem start to go up once we hit our 40s.

There is a website I did a bunch of reading at over a year ago before I started. I will try to find it.

That was a LOT of typing. Hopefully it isn't full of typos, no time to read through it. Smiler
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Wouldn't have imagined this type revelation in a car forum, but thanks Robert for your unabashed truthfulness.

Am on a T supplement now (a bit of a Vitamin freak, with light excercise/diet). I don't have all the symptoms, but do have some back/neck soreness, unprovoked. Not to your level, but will ask my doc.

Thanks again, and congratulations!
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The biggest changes were embarrassing. Morning wood. Increased libido. Noticing women again. I had basically lost interest in sex, which is not good when married to a woman ten years younger.


I guess these symptoms eliminate me from this sort of treatment ... I'm 46 i have a 10 year younger wife and a 4 , 3 and 1 year old to prove it ... do they have a way to decrease testosterone ? My wife just might send me right now for treatment....LOL


Ron
Hi Guys,

Haven't kept up with this forum as often as I would like because of my business requiring so much of my time. That said I just read this thread and wanted to add something very important for Robert or anyone else doing TRT.
I've been doing T-gel for 3 years and enjoyed the same results as Robert. Truly amazing what a difference this stuff makes in your life and functions, but be careful about too high of a Testosterone level and an elevated PSA. Mine started to rise suddenly and I had to back off the amount of T-Gel I
use. within a month my PSA dropped back into
the normal zone. So enjoy with caution.
By the way, since we are a fraternity of Pantera brothers, we should always take care of each other and that is why I feel this is a good subject for the forum.
Good point above. My doc has me doing blood work every six months. We check everything including E2 (estrogen which sometimes elevates with testosterone) and cholesterol, red blood count, etc. Blood work is the key to knowing what your body is up to.

A lot of doctors aren't familiar with TRT. Anyone can PM me if they are thinking about looking into it. I don't know who does it in your area, but I can answer a lot of question. I have learned a lot in the past year.
Robert, I didn't know you were into bodybuilding in the past. Me too, years ago (photo below, drug free of course Smiler). Good advise on test levels, but messing with Test when a persons levels are ok in efforts to "feel even better", isn't usually good because your body then adjusts itself through feedback loop. I just thought I would mention that because many of us can be guilty of the "more is better" mentality, even when our levels are normal. Just something to be careful about.

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^^^^ Yeah, it has been a bit of a "gateway drug" for some guys I know. "More is better" is a bad policy. Gotta stick with the blood work and low dosage, or it is an entirely different beast.

You look great in that pic. Were you able to keep much of that? I was out of the gym for all those years and was a mess when I started back up last year. 36% body fat and little muscle thank to years of inactivity and low test levels.
Just saw a tv commercial. They now have a prescription testosterone treatment that is in the form of what looked liken an underarm deodorant.. Supposedly rub it on under your arm and I guess it is absorbed into your system. The warning was that women should avoid contact with treated areas. I guess if she fell asleep cuddled with her head under your arm, she may wake up with a beard? LOL!
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Ok guys now you have me more interested. So what is Tgel. I mentioned this to my Dr and he wanted me on anti depressants, no way. He stated he's not into Low T due to issues with prostrate. Any news from this angle?


A lot of guys do the gel. It is easier than injections. I have read that a lot of doctors are more than happy to put guys on anti depressants rather than figuring out what the underlying problem is. My father-in-law went through chemo recently and it destroyed his ability to produce testosterone. The doctor said the easiest thing to do was anti-depresants, or they could actually treat the low testosterone. My FIL didn't even understand why the anti-depresants were even an option if they knew what the underlying problem was.

The research I have read say that high test levels can accelerate some kinds of prostate cancers, but do not cause them. The doc should recommend an exam first, and enlargement should be watched for with regular exams we should be getting anyway.

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Originally posted by 4NFORD:
Just saw a tv commercial. They now have a prescription testosterone treatment that is in the form of what looked liken an underarm deodorant.. Supposedly rub it on under your arm and I guess it is absorbed into your system. The warning was that women should avoid contact with treated areas. I guess if she fell asleep cuddled with her head under your arm, she may wake up with a beard? LOL!


Yeah, all the topical treatments say to keep them away from women. You don't want your wife to get a deep voice or facial hair. Smiler But seriously, that won't happen. There are a lot of jokes about "accidentally" getting some on girlfriends/wives because testosterone is what controls libido in both men AND women. They just produce a fraction of what we do.
The topical I started a few months ago is Axiron. My doc wanted to see if this worked for me. Versus driving in for a shot. You apply it to the underarm area. Started out with two applications a day but it was not moving the numbers up so now at four apps a day. Have another blood test in a couple months so we will see. If the numbers do not come up my doc said we will go with injections. And yes, I asked my doc about the wife thing and he dismissed it right away. Same as mentioned above, women produce it also so its unlikely that any residue will have any affect on them.
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