What's the current value of a Pantera Si?

Franz Krump just sold his blue targa to a young fellow in Monaco, I think, and then he bought it back. He also bought one of Kjell Jansson's. Those are the only recent sales I can think of off-hand. I don't know what the prices were, and I don't think it would be polite to ask, but I will ask them both for a general answer to your question. They would know better than anyone, being totally immersed in the 90 Si and having tracked all the known cars for many years.

My overall impression from advertised asking prices over the last couple of years is that prices have been going up steeply, and finding one for $150k USD would be difficult.

A for some maybe interesting book, might be the annual "Classic car auction yearbook".

Never bought it myself though, as I have not enough money to shop in the major league

Link to da book

I recall a 2010 reference that one of the Si Targa's sold for €170,000. Currently US$150K would get you a top GT5S, but I think for an Si you are over US$200K equivalent.

One advertised for sale in France, but not sure how current the ad is;
http://www.finecars.cc/en/deta...ar/244476/index.html

Julian

It was sold for 170.000 to Monaco in 2010 and bougt back in 2013 for half the price. What reference on the value gives that?

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One advertised for sale in France, but not sure how current the ad is;
http://www.finecars.cc/en/deta...ar/244476/index.html

Julian

The car on the Picture lookes from the plates as Franz Krumps former car, that went to Gavin Hutton in the UK. It's not documented yet, that is is for sale again.

Champ, FWIW when I talked to Mr. Krump 2 months months ago, the young man in Monaco who bought the car decided to move his business to Brazil and decided not to take the Pantera 200 with him. So it was kind of a distress-sale, hence the price. He never even re-registered it- he drove around Monaco for 6 months on Austrian plates.

What Mr. Krump didn't mention is, that the fellow in Monaco tried to sell it for a time and couldn't find a buyer. So again, what does this sale say about the value of a Pantera SI. It is always a seller and buyer market. The market rules the price. No buyer--- low price.
Lot's of buyers---- high price.
The Pantera SI is still in a low market, because of limited chances to legalize it in one of the biggest markets, the US.

I am advised by Franz that another 90 Si sold about three months ago in Austria.

It was a first owner car, red with black interior, with about 15,000 km on the clock. It was advertised on www.mobile.de for € 120,000 and sold in about two weeks for € 115.000 ($158,299 USD or $168,510 Can) to a German customer.

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Originally posted by champ:
It was sold for 170.000 to Monaco in 2010 and bougt back in 2013 for half the price. What reference on the value gives that? ...What Mr. Krump didn't mention is, that the fellow in Monaco tried to sell it for a time and couldn't find a buyer. So again, what does this sale say about the value of a Pantera SI. ...

Champ, I believe that your information is incorrect. Franz in fact bought his Si back for €100.000, not €85,000. In any event, the young fellow from Monaco was extremely wealthy and making time to sell the car was clearly not a priority for him. He had no connections to the DeTomaso world, being mainly a Ferrari enthusiast, and had 14 cars when he left for Sao Paulo. Consequently, I would not extrapolate too much from this transaction because this was not a normal situation.

Also, with respect to the market for Si's, Franz advises that he has since received three offers for the car from Germany, Switzerland and the Netherlands. Although the car is not for sale, he believes he could sell it unseen without any negotiations for €150.000.

Note that Franz's Si is a rare targa and is a particularly well known car in Europe, having been the cover car for a number of magazines. It will therefore sell for a premium over a normal Si.

Franz is one of the two most knowledgeable people about Si's in the world. I suggest it would be safe to take his advice on the current market as authoritative.

- Peter

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Originally posted by Peter H:
Franz is one of the two most knowledgeable people about Si's in the world. I suggest it would be safe to take his advice on the current market as authoritative.

I agree with Peter's comment regarding Franz.

Thank you everyone for your comments.

It is interesting that one collector in Germany has been buying any 90 Si Panteras that come on the market and, as far as I can tell, now owns four (in addition to the many other De Tomaso cars in his collection):

90 Si #9616
90 Si #9617
90 Si #9625
90 Si #9640

This is significant given that only 40 were built including the crash test car. I would not be surprised that this one wealthy collector's involvement has a large bearing on the recent price increases.

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