Wire identification

It's the wire at the bottom of the picture, laying on the seatbelt. It's actually orange but in my picture looks more brown.

From the wiring diagram I have, it looks like it goes to a light (so you can find the lighter at night I guess).

Here are a couple of diagrams from PanteraPlace that show how it's hooked up...

Illumination Control
Cigar Lighter Wiring

It would appear that the orange wire leaves the cigar lighter lamp, and is then grounded. I can't say that I've ever seen the light they're talking about, but then again, my Pantera came without the lighter hooked up and the lamp may have fallen victim to the interior re-do by the previous owner.

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I can't say that I've ever seen the light they're talking about,

The light was an illuminated ring surrounding the lighter; actually part of the lighter unit.

I believe the stock color was orange; it did come, for other applications, in other colors.

Looks a lot like this one. You can just make out the orange ring. Common to Alfas of the same time period.

Larry

While you are scratching around in that area, you may find seatbelt wiring for the starter interlock. This may help.

Larry

Excellent, thank you.

My ciggy lighter looks like it came from a Mustang of that era and has no light ring, but at least now I know that I have a wire there that is hot when the car lights are on.

Great cars these, just getting into it but having a lot of fun.

Thanks Larry,

Yes, I wondered what the red/black wires under the carpet on the passenger side were all about. Didn't know abot the starter interlock. That must have been a USA feature?

Did the car actually have two inertia reels on the seat belts. The bracket low on the firewall behind the seats looks to be a perfect fit for a seatbelt retractor reel, yet so does the hole in the sill?

I know that early Camaro's had twin retractors, but didn't realise that some imports into USA may have had them also.

Here is original seat belt config in my 82.

I also had the lighter with the illuminated ring.

Can anyone post up pics of their '74 L with the retractors in the sills, and let me see how it attaches behind the drivers seat?

I just dug around in some of my photos and found this interior shot of my 1974. My car is down at my shop so I can't readily get you a pic until tomorrow. Hope this helps.

Just found this one. I think this is more what you’re looking for. I had to take loose the seatbelt mechanism on the floor to remove some beautiful black synthetic fur (Yes - I'm serious) that the first owner had put over the entire floor.

Excellent, first pictures that I've seen of the twin retractor system. Thanks.

the interior is out of my car at the moment. you are welcome to come and see how it is done.
It is in Cranbourne.

Just going thru some wiring today. Is it common to have a second small fuse block attached to the wheelarch and right next to the main internal fuseboard? It only carries two fuses. The two 'hot' side wires are pink with a large spiral black band, and the other is solid yellow.

On the other side of this small fuse holder they both feed into heavy green wires with spiral black traces.

The fuse block is about 1.5 x 1" in size.

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second small fuse block attached to the wheelarch

electric window motors

Interesting.

Yep, got it. Fuses 13/14.

My 1974 wiring diagram shows pink/black feeding the fuses from the battery side. And then pink/black and yellow on the other side are going to the power window relays as supply power.

My diagram does not show the two green/black which are both carrying current on ignition so I'm going to presume that these are battery supply and there are small variations in wiring colours.

BUT!!!

The pink/black has power direct from battery. (With ignition off)

BOTH green/black wires take power from ignition.

So with ignition on I have power on both sides of one of those fuses! That's obviously not right.

And to confuse matters more, if I fit a fuse between the pink/black and the green/black in fuse position 13, I get ignition and fuel pump running so I'm backfeeding power into the ignition curcuit!

Jeez I wish people would frig around with these cars and not leave notes for others.

I'm now going to have to trace the pink/black and find out why it has power on it at all times.

Strange thing is, both windows work, fo figure?

Do we know where the window relays are placed so I can work backwards from the relays?

New development - take both fuses out of 13/14 and the windows still work?

Looks like someone / somewhere have bypassed the window curcuit for some odd reason. Makes me wonder if the alarm has/had a feature to lock the car and wind the windows up?

Still looking for the alarm module in the birds nest but no luck yet.

This will help:

http://panteraplace.com/page107.htm

Mr. Oz, be aware that there are at least 4 different factory wiring diagrams published over the years, and likely NONE will be 100% true, even on an unmolested car (which a GT-5 conversion certainly is not!) Most of us use the diagram closest in publication date to the car's build-date, and annotate the diagram to fit the car as anomalies show up. Patience and a good VOM are your best friends....
Note also there are extra wires connected to nothing in some areas, and long lengths of wire that run around the car, ending up close to where they started. Once you're more familiar, there's about 20 FEET of wire that can be safely removed, especially from the front end wire-loom, and still keep the 'stock' wiring.
Finally, depending on whether you're in the rainy part or the dry desert part of your beautiful country, the multipin connectors may give problems 'cause being mostly from Lucas, they were never plated to resist corrosion. Normally when electrical things stop working, we don't immediately throw the nonworking part away. Corrosion inside connectors and on the fuses can be fixed, as in any British car, with spray-contact cleaner or a small wire brush.