Hi All,
I was lucky enough to find an original XE block.I've got a question,is the oiling system the same as a std 351C?At first look,it appears so.
Thanks, Guy
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Probably, but I'm not sure, never even having seen one of those blocks. Sorry- you have a very rare piece there.
Hi Jack,
I think we need Dan Jones' opinion on this one.I searched long and hard for this block,and I must say it is cast a lot heavier than a std 351C.BTW the cast date is 2E72(2may72).
Thanks, Guy
I think we need Dan Jones' opinion on this one.I searched long and hard for this block,and I must say it is cast a lot heavier than a std 351C.BTW the cast date is 2E72(2may72).
Thanks, Guy
TTT Dan Jones,
I need your help. Is the XE oiling system the same as a standard 351C?
Thanks,Guy
I need your help. Is the XE oiling system the same as a standard 351C?
Thanks,Guy
> I need your help. Is the XE oiling system the same as a standard 351C?
Yes, it is identical.
> I must say it is cast a lot heavier than a std 351C.
That's a good sign. Does it carry the XE-192540 number? You should
still have the block sonic checked. A number of the several hundred
XE race blocks that were cast suffered from core shift. The race teams
got the good blocks and most of the core-shifted blocks were shipped
back to Australia and were subsequently installed in production vehicles.
Whenever I hear of a NOS XE block I wonder why it was not used back in
the day. Also Ford of Australia used XE to denote a production date
(XE = August 1980) so there are XE blocks that are standard blocks
but I think they carry a suffix different from the race block's 192540.
> BTW the cast date is 2E72(2may72).
That's odd. U.S. 351C production was still going then. I was under
the impression that Aussie block production didn't occur until after
U.S. production ceased and the tooling was sent to Australia (otherwise
Ford would have cast them in the States). I need to check my references
to find the earliest reference to the XE blocks...
Dan Jones
Yes, it is identical.
> I must say it is cast a lot heavier than a std 351C.
That's a good sign. Does it carry the XE-192540 number? You should
still have the block sonic checked. A number of the several hundred
XE race blocks that were cast suffered from core shift. The race teams
got the good blocks and most of the core-shifted blocks were shipped
back to Australia and were subsequently installed in production vehicles.
Whenever I hear of a NOS XE block I wonder why it was not used back in
the day. Also Ford of Australia used XE to denote a production date
(XE = August 1980) so there are XE blocks that are standard blocks
but I think they carry a suffix different from the race block's 192540.
> BTW the cast date is 2E72(2may72).
That's odd. U.S. 351C production was still going then. I was under
the impression that Aussie block production didn't occur until after
U.S. production ceased and the tooling was sent to Australia (otherwise
Ford would have cast them in the States). I need to check my references
to find the earliest reference to the XE blocks...
Dan Jones
Guy, Jack, Dan.
Perhaps I can contribute a bit to the XE knowledge pool. A previous owner installed one of these blocks into the my Pcar. This block also has a casting # of XE 192540. Just below that # it has a casting # of 23C2. The later # doesn't make much sense to me as it dosen't jibe with the standard Ford Date Schema. Looking at other Clevelands I have found that my XE block may also have some other unique casting #s on it.
In the area below the oil pressure sender at the top rear of the block. When viewed from the back of the car I have a one inch wide Ford oval which is located under and just left of the sender. Further out to the left side on this flat area I also have a capital lettered GF which is about 5/8ths of an inch tall. And forward of the sender hole I have a # 8 cast into the block as well. The casting marks in this area are all oriented as if someone were writing them from the Driver's side of the car. I have not had the engine out of the car, but from what I can see, there are very few casting #s to be seen anywhere else. I hope this info helps.
But I do have a question. With this block, if the core shift is A.O.K. and cylinder walls are factory spec. When I finally get around to rebuilding it and get seriously into HP #s, What is the over bore capacity and CID that this so called "Super Block" can safely go to?
This info will let me really start thinking about using this block for a stroker motor.
Thanks in advance......Doug.H #6434
Perhaps I can contribute a bit to the XE knowledge pool. A previous owner installed one of these blocks into the my Pcar. This block also has a casting # of XE 192540. Just below that # it has a casting # of 23C2. The later # doesn't make much sense to me as it dosen't jibe with the standard Ford Date Schema. Looking at other Clevelands I have found that my XE block may also have some other unique casting #s on it.
In the area below the oil pressure sender at the top rear of the block. When viewed from the back of the car I have a one inch wide Ford oval which is located under and just left of the sender. Further out to the left side on this flat area I also have a capital lettered GF which is about 5/8ths of an inch tall. And forward of the sender hole I have a # 8 cast into the block as well. The casting marks in this area are all oriented as if someone were writing them from the Driver's side of the car. I have not had the engine out of the car, but from what I can see, there are very few casting #s to be seen anywhere else. I hope this info helps.
But I do have a question. With this block, if the core shift is A.O.K. and cylinder walls are factory spec. When I finally get around to rebuilding it and get seriously into HP #s, What is the over bore capacity and CID that this so called "Super Block" can safely go to?
This info will let me really start thinking about using this block for a stroker motor.
Thanks in advance......Doug.H #6434
Hi All,
My block is not NOS,I got it from a guy in Georgia who said he got it many years ago from Bud Moore.I sonic tested it when I picked it up.Seems really good compared to a std 351C.Most thrust surfaces in the .230-.250 range,sides .130-.150.
Guy
My block is not NOS,I got it from a guy in Georgia who said he got it many years ago from Bud Moore.I sonic tested it when I picked it up.Seems really good compared to a std 351C.Most thrust surfaces in the .230-.250 range,sides .130-.150.
Guy
> What is the over bore capacity and CID that this so called "Super Block"
> can safely go to?
Kip, formerly of the Pantera Performance Center, has had several of the
XE 4 bolt main blocks go through the shop and has bored them out as much
as 0.187" over to fit a sleeve and has never gone through a wall. Guy's
block on the sides would go through at that bore, though, so it will
depend on how yours looks on the sonic map.
Dan Jones
> can safely go to?
Kip, formerly of the Pantera Performance Center, has had several of the
XE 4 bolt main blocks go through the shop and has bored them out as much
as 0.187" over to fit a sleeve and has never gone through a wall. Guy's
block on the sides would go through at that bore, though, so it will
depend on how yours looks on the sonic map.
Dan Jones