YIKES !!....

...Yes! Yes! Yes!!! Dual Quads Forever!! I also like the Color and the Black 'Tumble Home'. Just like My Car...

Looks pretty rough, but I love those dual quads!

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Originally posted by MARLIN JACK:
...Yes! Yes! Yes!!! Dual Quads Forever!! I also like the Color and the Black 'Tumble Home'. Just like My Car...

Okay I'll bite. What's a "tumble home"?

yeah, whats tumble home ?

only 35K miles??? Yea, right. Passenger carpet is worn through - PASSENGER!

Upgraded cooling looks to still have original fans, and radiator.

Surface rust on metal all over the car, wonder what the inside of the ZF looks like after sitting five years with no rotation? Aluminum intake looks to have total surface oxidation - where was this thing stored? Covered on the docks next to a Florida swamp?

Ugliest mounting of ignition electronics I have EVER seen.

And did you just happen to notice the pink?

sigh, someone should buy it and put it out of its misery. A major work of love could return that car to being presentable.

Larry

I like the pink......but I agree with the rest of your comments.

For you fiberglass guru's how hard would that front spoiler be?

Never mind. The more I look at all the photos that pink gets worse.

...I thought the term would raise a few questions! When I use to own a Trans-Am The GM engineers used 'Tumble Home' to discribe the Lower half of the Cars Sides; from the 'Crease' in the sheetmetal that runs at the mid-point Horizontaly through the doors and the entire side, all the way down to the rails below the rockers. On this Pantera The 'Tumble Home' is painted Black. Nothing more than that...

...Mostly where the side 'rolls' inward towards the belly of the car...

That car is a mess....

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For you fiberglass guru's how hard would that front spoiler be?

If you assembled all of the kit before you started, a good day's work would see it complete - minus the paint. GRP at this level isn't difficult.

Phil

On photo page 1, image 12, visible behind the rusty deck lid strut shaft are two buttons. What would you suppose they are? Engine bay ignition/starter?

I thought about doing something like that but decided it wouldn't be too safe without a neutral interlock.

Geeze louise. You guys would bitch if you were hung with a new rope. It is only bid up to 15 grand. WTF do you want for that kind of money??? You can't even buy a new Hyunda for that. I have seen lots worse being asked for way more money.

I think there are some great points mentioned above. A couple things jump out at me: notably the surface rust in the front trunk, and the fact that it isnt running. I might be all wet here, but it doent take alot to tune up a small block ford. This advertiser spent more money on the ad and photos then a tune up would probably cost. If I were selling a premium or exotic car I would tune it up and have it running. Running cars always sell better. If it sat so long the gas tank and carbs are probably gummed up with varnish.

I think you would easily drop $20K into this car with paint, body, engine, other mechanicals and interior cleanup. This is assuming it isnt a rust bucket. "White Lightening" just sold on PIM around $33K and it had alot more upgrades and appeared to be in alot better condition. It took that car awhile to sell at around $33K.

I dont think the car is worth much more than the $15K and I think it would take alot to get this near a $50K car--as the seller mentions.

I think as economic indicators get uncertain, or are perceived as uncertain, (stock market, foreclosures, cost of living increases, etc) more people will be selling their toys and more people will take less $ for their toys. I'll be curious to see if this applies to Panteras. I think we will see more interesting Panteras for sale in the near future.

Looks like a possible flood car to me..Too much surface rust on metal parts and oxidation of aluminum parts.

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Looks like a possible flood car to me.

Good catch - seems very likely, as there are surface rust areas EVERYWHERE on that car.

Thanks all for taking a look at the vehicle! It is most definitely not a flood car and the only rust is minimal surface corrosion which is hard to avoid here in humid Florida. I'm listing for a good friend and fellow auto enthusiast. He netted this from another local friend who did most of the work on this vehicle, including the questionable paint scheme and the nice curb-modification to the air dam. We put some effort into getting it running in preparation for sale such as changing fluids, rebuilding carbs, replacing fuel pumps, filters, flushing fuel tank and such. It'll start and run briefly but the MSD components likely need some additional attention as we don't think the advance/retard is functioning properly. As mentioned in this thread it don't take much to get a SBF running except a little time, which is what were short most of!

All are welcome to inspect the vehicle, which should satisfy most of the negative "tire kickers" who will find it's just another fine ride that got stuck in the garage WAY too long. My friend and I both have large stables and are trying to thin our respective "herds" for other interests. I do a lot of web stuff and offered to eBay the Pantera and some other goodies for him, then I'll be unloading some of my vintage Mercedes diesels and Kawasakis.

Feel free to ask any questions as I'd like to find this car a great home and see someone get it up to the condition it deserves, as it's certainly a good base to start with at the likely auction price.

Thanks again,

Joe

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Originally posted by JoeBlack:
...get it up to the condition it deserves...

they'll need this

Hey Joe, Good you came to this board to get the word out and give more detail. With all the "flood" references "floating around", you might've selected a different word choice here...

[QUOTE]Originally posted by JoeBlack:
He netted this from another local friend
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But aside from that, you've got a car that is now before the most ardent deTomaso enthusiasts around. Of course, as mentioned before, IF you can get it running and keep it running, that'd be a big plus. Otherwise, most will hedge bets and bid accordingly.

Anyway, there is a "Cars for Sale" section hereon if you've not already ventured there, and the more detail, the better. Including a price is advised, but that's up to you.

This board is most definitely your friend in getting this car sold. We may not always say what you want to hear, but it'll at least be from experience - good or bad - in hopes of keeping the marque alive.

Thanks for coming on over. Once your herd is thinned, maybe you'll make room for a Pantera that's ready to go! Believe me, they're an addiction... and I'm not looking to be cured! Have fun.

Thanks much! In helping my friend out with the sale I presented the pros and cons of an enthusiast forum such as this one versus eBay and time leaned him more toward eBay. He has a very eclectic collection, everything from a '54 Jag D-Type to military verhicles, but has put up his main facility for sale and has to part with what isn't being driven quickly to facilite moving. I managed to score a '54 Austin Champ from him, its olive drab suited me better than the Pantera's pink! The Pantera he got from another local military collector who is also into exotics and just never got around to working on the air dam, which mean it got parked in the corner and sat. Sad, sad.

I do like the car but am focusing on rally vehicles and competition, rather than fast Italian designs (although I wouldn't mind a Stratos or 131!). Having a Miura for a short while kinda cured me of that! Now I contribute to a forum like this for the Isuzu VehiCROSS, which I have two of, and am a big fan of the Ford Sierra RS that keeps five currently in the shop. And collecting vintage contruction equipment and semi-trucks puts all sorts of maintenance tasks on my plate that precludes adding something as unique as this Pantera.

All that being said, as a true lover of things unique and different like the Pantera I really do hope it goes to someone who will wrench on it, get something other than that glow-in-the-dark pink on its skin, and put some well deserved miles under its chassis.

I would like to know where everyone is getting the rust opinion from though? I took all the photos and built the auction and web site, and just don't see it. Sure, there's surface rust that would come off with a minute's attention from a scotchbrite pad, but I just don't see any more than that. I guess being around the car as opposed to seeing only pictures has a little to do with it, but I truly am concerned how that's coming across from the photos. So if anyone would care to share their ideas I'd appreciate it!

Thanks again,

Joe

Joe, The issue with rust and Panteras is that if there is surface rust where you can see it, there probably is rust where you can't. As you may know Pantera's are prone to rust in some rather critical areas, many of which aren't readily accessible and repairs can be costly. If you want to ease the rust worries I would include pictures of the car's underside, the areas around the rear A-arms, etc. All the rust prone areas. If you aren't familiar with the typical problem areas, the PanteraPlace website has an excellent guide.

I used to be big into Fiat 124 Spiders, so know exactly what you mean by "rust in some rather critical areas". Thank you very much for the advice, I'm not too pround to admit ignorance of such things and am appreciative of your effort to explain. I'll see about getting the car on a lift Monday and adding additional photos to the web site.

Okay folks, we got "pinky" up on the lift and I shot 35 high-res photos to update the web site at http://www.planetarydomination.com/Pantera/photo4.htm and http://www.planetarydomination.com/Pantera/photo5.htm for all to review. In my opinion everything looks pretty standard for a dry '72 with just surface rust, no rot or serious corrosion. It is greasy/grimy and I poked at the areas outlined in the corrosion document from PanteraPlace with everything solid. Plus we know the vehicle has been here in central FL for at least 20 years where we haven't had a flood in forever, just consistent hot 'n humid.

Thanks for looking, and feel free to shoot any questions or additional photo requests my way. Right now it looks like she'll be headed to Italy if no other bidders jump into the fray.

Joe

Man i just lowered the price on my gts i think i will have to raise it higher than what it was.

Thank you all for your opinions and critical feedback! It really helped me get more detailed information into the auction and thus out to potential buyers, especially Husker's info on the corrosion issues. Hopefully y'all will see this car again soon after the new owner puts her right and back on the road again as she deserves.

Thanks again,

Joe

Aside from the colour,
I'd say someone got a good deal on this car. A very reasonable price.