mangusta

completely agree, wrong shade, those look to 'copper ish', could be against the copper car influence, but that color right there wouldn't be bad at all, considering the tan, NOT gold interior color? NOT a fan of the raised white letters, although they are kinda cool

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Originally posted by garth66:
Just guesses here, but here are some things to consider if you were to part out the car...

Mangusta wheels: $2500
Side Glass (in good condition): $1000
Windshield: $1500
ZF Transaxle: $5000
Misc body bits/surfaces: $2000 (or more)

But, if you can't afford to sit on it too long to part it out over time the quick and easy solution is the $7500 offer and you're done with it.

....when you say side glass, what is that ??

baberz, did you retrieve my PM? thanks..

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....when you say side glass, what is that ??

door glass/windows. Again, these are all guesstimates. Any info you get from Steve Leibenow or other Goose owners will be much more accurate.

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Originally posted by red86dd:
baberz, did you retrieve my PM? thanks..

Yes.. i sent one back also..

It's hard to put a value on that car until it is looked over completely. From the time its been sitting and the looks from the pictures, it may have a lot more "damage" than meets the eye. It is probably rusted and corroded more than initially seen and many of the parts may be useless. The wheels have to be inspected as magnesium corrodes and cracks. The ZF was sitting for a long time and the internals may be toast, leaving the case and bell housing (if those are not corroded) You also need to check the glass to make sure that it is not seperating.

I recently looked at the most rusted out Pantera that I have ever seen and upon close inspection, the car although complete was not worth much. All electrical including gauges were corroded internally and shot. Every panel was rusted through, the motor was frozen and the ZF just didn't spin right.

The parts can be worth a lot of money IF they are usable. The key word here is IF.

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The parts can be worth a lot of money IF they are usable. The key word here is IF.

......Thanks dennis..I find it hard to believe there is a car out there with more rust then this..The battery has fallen to the ground..but the tubed frame looks great..the car is up on blocks if you can believe that..

Wow what a find. I have also been looking for a project Mangusta. Tell you one thing, looks scary but at the same time I would spend many days and nights thinking whether I wanted to part-out the car. Keep us posted.

Denis

i really would love to just get it home and look at it for a while..i mean come on how cool would it be just sitting in the yard!! bet i would have a lot of NEW friends stop by. when will I ever be able to get another?? so what if it has no rims..it has no floors so why do i need the rims??LOL

baberz.... Don't do it!! (bring it home and stare at it....!!!) That's what I did! Look what it got me! Goose sh*t spread all over my garage!!! (See other post on forum Mangusta Issues: "Ooops I did it again....")

I was only gonna keep the car "a couple of months" to raid the Boss 302 that was in it and "just drop in a small block to make it go down the road..." Here I am 12-13 years later..no way I'd sell the car!

So, I caution you agains bringing it home and sitting around staring at it.....

Steve

Fascinating pictures! This car is way beyond economical restoration. It's so rusty there would probably be no salvageable panels at all. Even the aluminium panels would be bulging on there frames. Anyone attempting this would end up creating a completely new car and swapping the chassis plate over at the end. In fact, that chassis plate looks pretty rough too, so that would have to be remade also. I bet the glass in the clocks would be salvageable.

It would have to be worth $500,000 when finished to justify it. I would hate to see it broken up for spares, I think it should go into a museum just the way it is. If I had the money and space I would buy a car like this just to look at.

Johnny

I say get a picture of the car put it in front of you and have your wife hit you in the head with a shovel ... it will be very painful but the cost of the doctors bills and the pain will only last a few weeks ... but the pain and cost of this car will last a life time before you can enjoy it.

LOL

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Originally posted by accobra:
I say get a picture of the car put it in front of you and have your wife hit you in the head with a shovel ... it will be very painful but the cost of the doctors bills and the pain will only last a few weeks ... but the pain and cost of this car will last a life time before you can enjoy it./////
///'''Oooooh accobra you MUST know her!! thats a good one ..it will be in the yard Saturday..
LOL

My statement was only in good fun .. good luck and god bless ...enjoy it in good health and happiness. Call me I would like to take a run up with my Pantera one weekend and check it out.

Ron

Good fun , thats how i took it, now the wife might not see it that way..i'll let you know when it will be on DISPLAY !!

Anyone who knows me well knows that I make stupid decisions all the time, but even I would not attempt to restore that car. I'm not sure whether that opinion falls into the "stupid" category or the "finally making good decisions" category, but I agree with the wise men here who all state that even parts from that car might not be worth much given the "storage" conditions.

My advice: put it on eBay with a $8K reserve and see what happens. Someone might actually pay $20K for it. It would not surprise me.

Hey, very few people can ever claim they owned a Mangusta once in their lives and you at least have that now!

Mark

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"finally making good decisions"

..who me.!! never gonna happen.LOL..I really don't do the e-bay thing.

Actually Mark's idea is a GREAT one!! About 2 years ago I dragged my wife out to some remote place in long island to check out a Mangusta that was listed on ebay. This car was toast, I believe PanteraDoug and I spoke about it on the phone in great detail at the time. The owner (no title) leveled with me. He actually got paid to tow it from someone's yard. The car was JUNK, completely burned from the engine compartment forward....BURNED. The only thing left were the 2 fenders (barely repairable) and the ZF. I figured it was my duty to go see this car, as in how many times in my life would I get the chance?
I educated the guy on the car, I offered him $3500 in cash and he accepted with the caveat that we waited until the end of the auction. He did me the favor, I was dreaming. The car sold for around $10,000 sight unseen to someone in CA who sent a flat bed to pick it up. The very same car appeared back on ebay as the buyer got waaay ahead of himself in thinking to either restore it or make it a track car. I followed some of the auction on this car and I believe the guy didn't even recoup a third of his money.
Moral of the story.... Sell it on ebay. Or I'll offer you $3500 for it!
BTW, my wife still thinks I was insane for even contemplating getting involved with a car like that.
Good luck!

What makes people let a car so nice rot like that?
What a great story...guess Pebble Beach is out of her league.
How many mangusta's where ever build?

Michel

I agree with Mark. Put it on eBay. It worked for me last year with a project Pantera I was selling. There is a huge demand for these in Europe. As soon as the listing was up I was getting calls from all over Europe asking what my lowest price was. Finally on the fourth day a gentleman from Germany offered what I was asking so I pulled the listing. He took care of all the shipping arrangements and costs.

I can give you some help with eBay if you like.

PM me.

-William

OK, Let's put it on E-bay. when its here should i do anything to it? or maybe just let it stay where it is now (the guy doesn't mind) I'm kinda scared to move it ..and William i will keep that in mind. Also I must say this is a great site with many great an helpful people..Forgot to mention the mileage on this BEAUTY is 47k

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Originally posted by baberz02:
OK, Let's put it on E-bay. when its here should i do anything to it? or maybe just let it stay where it is now (the guy doesn't mind) I'm kinda scared to move it ..and William i will keep that in mind. Also I must say this is a great site with many great an helpful people..Forgot to mention the mileage on this BEAUTY is 47k

Don't forget the obligatory eBay caveat:

A/C does not blow cold, it probably just needs a charge"

Wow 1732 hits in less than 3 days! We do love the Mangusta. It is criminal that this car was put up on blocks and left to rot like some old pickup truck.

Hopefully someone with the financial ability will take the challenge of bringing this beauty back to life. (Adams Hudson are you listening?)

I love my Pantera and the timeless styling. But the Mangusta is a piece of art.

Yes the a/c works and of course it will make the 1672mi trip home no problem gas up and go...Here's another thing i forgot, the keys are and have been in the ignition the whole time it has been sitting !!!

No Pantera or deTomaso content:

How about another beauty to restore alongside the Goose? The Mrs. would really throw the frying pans now.

http://www.gullwingmotorcars.c...n=display&autoID=646

looks like someone is undercutting your price for a car in comparable condition?

Didn't i tell you ..I had to move that 1958 AUSTIN HEALEY out of the way to get to the goose..its in better shape because it was on the blacktop driveway..maybe a trade up for the mangusta?

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Originally posted by baberz02:

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The parts can be worth a lot of money IF they are usable. The key word here is IF.

......Thanks dennis..I find it hard to believe there is a car out there with more rust then this..The battery has fallen to the ground..but the tubed frame looks great..the car is up on blocks if you can believe that..

The Pantera that I recently looked at was rusted through in every panel including the roof. The frame was so rusted that the suspension mounting bolts had pulled through it.
At least the goose has aluminum gullwings and front hood!

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Originally posted by Vereeken:
What makes people let a car so nice rot like that?
What a great story...guess Pebble Beach is out of her league.
How many mangusta's where ever build?

Michel

401

Michel, years 1967 to 1970, 401 Mangustas were built. Chuck

How do i find out what # this car is ?

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Don't forget the obligatory eBay caveat:
"A/C does not blow cold, it probably just needs a charge"

Or how about the other one I see on ebay all the time: "Just some surface rust. If you can do your own machanical work you can turn this into an $80,000 car for a fraction of the cost!" Yeah right!

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Hopefully someone with the financial ability will take the challenge of bringing this beauty back to life.

Or the time and skills, ala Johnny Woods!

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How do i find out what # this car is ?

8MA 1006 (if I read it correctly) is your VIN #

can i/you tell what # car this is out of the 401?

according the the Mangusta Registry on MangustaInternational website it would fall somewhere right near the middle of production with that serial number

It's believed that serial number start at 8MA500 and only even numbers were used. So that would make yours no 253. Other factors are also to be considered yours is a 4 headlight car as in early cars, later US cars had 2 headlights.

a good source is http://www.mangustainternational.com

Denis

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Hopefully someone with the financial ability will take the challenge of bringing this beauty back to life.

Or the time and skills, ala Johnny Woods!

Johnny posted on this thread and even he admitted it was beyond economical restoration

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Originally posted by Joules5:

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Hopefully someone with the financial ability will take the challenge of bringing this beauty back to life.

Or the time and skills, ala Johnny Woods!

Johnny posted on this thread and even he admitted it was beyond economical restoration

YES, but there is always that one person with more Money then...well let just leave it at that!

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"When the Power of Love overcomes the Love of Power, the World will know peace" - Jimi Hendrix

I would LOVE to feel the power of the love you all have when you drive your cars..(SIGH)...anyway what motor is in this car? meaning was this 302 made only for the mangusta's ?

The Euro Mangustas had a hotted up 289 but some Euro cars and almost (if not) all American market cars were shipped with a pretty basic Ford 302 V8. Not much for pep which is a good thing since the Goose isn't really known for being a driver-friendly car.

I remember reading an interview with a well-known Goose owner who, when asked what the car's best feature was responded (and this is from enhanced memory, not literally what he said): "I'd have to say the most enjoyable aspect of Mangusta ownership is sitting in a comfortable chair with a fine cigar, a glass of good scotch and just looking at it". It's all I do with mine at the moment (well, except the cigars and scotch...).

Mark

Here is tag from a similar Manguta with 302 of 1968 vintage.

tag reads as follows: 302 (uh!); C engine plant : Cleveland ; 68 model year ; 1 change level
8G Prod date: 8=1968, G=Jul ; 283 = 302 cu.in. with F4 (ford 4 bbl carb) part list 60.5 ; J (for 1968) it's the Mustang only engine .... 10:1 comp ratio 235hp@4800rpm 310ftlbs@2800rpm, head volume 52 or 55 cc

So difference is really the final ratio and weight of car. Mangusta has a 5th gear OD of 0.85 and final drive ratio 4.22 weight 2915 lbs . Mustang had 3 sp (no OD) and rear end ratio 3.25 weight 3420