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OK so my question is DO I buy it??

No, you do not.

Well, sort of, yes, you do. but...

You act as my agent and I purchase it for $5000 as it sits; I can wire you the money tomorrow. You then arrange closed transport, at my expense, to my home in California. I give you a finder's/agent fee of $1000.

The older man is happy to know his forgotten, neglected car has a new, loving owner, you have $1000 for a couple days of your time, and I have a major problem with my wife who wants to know just why she now has to park the mini-van outside in the driveway.

Everyone's happy but me, but I'll deal with it somehow.

Larry

P.S. - Real reply below...

Dead players like this are a tough nut to crack. I can buy a complete but neglected '72 Pantera here in town for $15K tomorrow, but it has sat for 15-18 years, needs new interior carpets, seats, full repaint, and that is just the major problems. I haven't bought it, and am sure I won't.

You need LOTS of inspection on this find. You also need to take a Pantera guy with you to inspect it, as there is a learning curve to evaluate these cars. Being as they only made 401 of those things, just about any condition has its value - if priced right. Sadly, many times the 'older guy' thinks he is sitting on a retirement nest egg that will finance yearly trips to Europe AND pay the mortgage on the new home in Vail.

Give this thread some time, you'll probably find someone close to your home to help you inspect the Goose, and then you'll be armed to know what a decent price is.

Mangustas seem to command a better premium than Panteras, but are still low-priced for low production exotics. Thus, unless you are planning on the restoration work with your own hands, and sourcing any missing/broken parts with the patience of a saint, writing checks for a restoration will leave you with negative cash flow.

But the cars are beautiful, rare and would be a dream to own.

Good luck.

More info (photos) when you get it would certainly be a plus for our evaluation.

Larry

Thats kinda sounds like one of those Nigerian scam's LOL. you send me money i send you the car..Can you tell me what i sould be loking for on this car? All i know is it was all original.down to the rims with the bias ply tires. Like i said it was dark, the front wheel were up in the air. I'm going to look at it agian on monday in the day so again what should i be looking at? or does it matter? just buy it??

I think that it is true that a perfect Mangusta was worth $100,000 in 2006/2007. Might not be worth that now with the economy and all.

So paint and body prep would probably be $15,000 to $35,000 -- I am talking absolute low ball to perfect wet looking paint -- and this is just paint and straightening the car.

Interior would be another $5,000.

Engine $3,000 to $6,000 depending what needs are.

Transaxle & related final drive issues $6,000 to $10,000 depending again on hard part needs.

Brakes & lines $4,000.

Electrical (have to rebuild what you got -- skies the limit on this one) Budget $2,000

Glass -- we've now entered the realm of unobtainium. No one has these items -- must be found and pay whatever, or make your own stuff. Pray that the glass on the car is good; otherwise, blow at least $7,000 if it can even be found -- $15,000 to make the stuff.

Hassle of all other trim pieces $7,000

So right now, if you pay someone to do this work, we are talking about a car that will be on the low end, $42,000 and on the high end $84,000 to do; and I have not even started in on the most expensive thing yet, rust on the car, nor the original purchase price. I could be way off on some of my figures, I know. I guess you can see where I am going on this deal. If you are extremely handy with lots of time on your hands and are equally good with a welder and metal brake as you are with a paint gun, then dive right in, it will be difficult to be hurt financially if you can do the lion's share of the work yourself. But if you have to pay someone else to do your dirty work, so to speak, I would be very hesitant to purchase a parts car and turn it into a concours winner. It can be done, but speaking from experience, I would never do it again -- well, unless maybe it were a Mangusta with the matching numbers motor and transaxle .........

Ahhhh, the red mist is starting to set in again .........

What you need to realize is this isn't a discussion about the restoration of a '69 Camaro. Think of this as more like a '69 Ferrari-only not as well known.

Seems to me whether or not you should buy this car will depend on you and your abilites. How many "normal" cars have you restored? Are you in posession of the needed skills, equipment, and cash? Substitute much cash if you have to pay someone to do it for you. Do you have the time, energy, and drive to find the missing parts? Labor of love comes to mind.

The simple fact that you are asking this forum would suggest that at least subconsciously you realize this is a big step and you have some doubts about the above....... Then again if the price is right it might to good to pass up.

.....best case is you buy it, get tired of it sitting in your garage after you realize it's a lot of work and not your dream car, then you sell it Larry for a boat load of cash!! Did I hear someone say Italy vacation?????

But I do STRONGLY suggest you take someone knowledgeable in Detomaso's to look with you. Again these aren't Camaro's and have unique nuances and quirks. They aren't called Italian Mistresses because they are common....Look at the PI main webpage. There may be a Regional Rep in your area. Trust me they would be happy to go with you and look. It's not everyday a hidden mangusta shows up.

Well, i know it has all 4 matching factory wheels/rims and no broken glass.I see one (1) rim on that e-bay site (I don't like e-bay) for 2k. he's says #s matching car..where do i check these numbers ..where are they located? how far gone does it have to be to be a PARTS car? whats a complete parts car worth? i'm not that handy with this type car..i'm more of a older mopar type(1970 dart 440/6bbl) guy..Thanks for the help..I will be buying this just to try and resell it..

If anyone is in the upstate NY area (Albany)PLEASE let me know..

[quote]i'm not that handy with this type car..i'm more of a older mopar type(1970 dart 440/6bbl) guy..Thanks for the help..I will be buying this just to try and resell it..quote]

I suggest to do some research and know what you are getting into. The downside of flipping a car of this nature is you don't have all the history on hand like the old guy that currently owns it does. You are getting into a specialized market and a prospective buyer will likely want specific details.

A lot will depend on condition, length of time it's been sat (outside by the sound of it and in upstate NY, no less!)

For comparison I know of a Goose for sale locally, all there and good condition except one side window missing. It had all new beefed up subframe installed and is basically ready to paint and put back together, asking price $25K and it hadn't sold last I heard.

Julian

OK Thanks, i'm on my way now to see it in the day light. This man has owned this car like i said 25/30 yrs. and is willing to sell it for under 10k . i don't want to part it out BUT if that one rim is bringing 2k and this has a full set , thats 8k right there so now i have 1500 in the rest..matching 302 5sp should be worth ???..i'll let you know how i make out in about 2hrs..Thanks Phil in NY.

cool story, can't wait to hear the outcome! post photos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

JUST LEFT TOOK SOME PICS WILL POST SOON...has all 5 rims ..a/c ..and much rust.. frame looks good. but floors are gone!! at work now post pics SOON..

Do you know the serial number of the car you looked at? Does it have a good title?

Too bad it cannot be saved -- not many of these built, and there are not more being made.

I am also into the Mopar thing a little bit. The Mangusta is not like any Mopar, well, I take that back. Have you ever seen a Cuda convertible on a hoist -- you can see the body flex like an accordion. Anyway, the Mangusta is built lighter yet, so there are many places that the subframe can crack and break. Rust in any Mopar trunk is like what you see on the whole Mangusta, especially floors and rockers.

Too bad Mr. Woods is not closer to the colonies....

can't seem to get pictures on..keeps telling me they are to big...

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tag....

302 a/c

1970..? he has a looooong store on this car!! getting all his paper work together for me..tld me he paid 12,995 for it in the early 80s.this is the 2nd one he has owned. worked on wall st. back then. GREAT story teller. told me at one point he cracked the bell houseing and had to wait months and months til the made a new one or cast one something like that...more to come..

Baberz.....

That is one big pile of stinky poo.....

You "may" have 8K worth of rims, but do you have $8K worth of buyers????? A few months ago, you couldn't get rid of an entire set of 4 rims for $1000.... These two guys fighting for this rim on ebay are a fluke IMHO.

Looks like it is chassis number 1006 or 1008. Couldn't quite read the SN on the tag.

It is missing the 4V manifold and carb. MIssing at least the two small windows in the hatches. Air cleaner???

It IS rusty. You can bet that the ZF, after sitting outside for this many years is probably a mess inside, as is the motor.

This is just sad to see......

If you have ever restored a JAG or a Ferrari of the days, you will understand the dilema in trying to restore one of these. Only types that seem to want to tackle this is the guys in the UK.

I can talk to you more about these cars if you need. Send me a private email and I will send you a phone number back.....

Cheers!!! Still a nice find!
Steve

Steve you are correct, he has the intake and carb(someplace) the air cleaner is in the trunk.the small windows are also with the car...If you had to what would you say a fair price is? thats the air cleaner under the mat?

MY GOD! What a mess!! I wish I had found that though.... I would have bought it on impulse..... as a matter of fact if its cheap sell it to me. I can wrap myself around that for the next 10 years.

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Originally posted by DeLoreans and DeTomasos:
MY GOD! What a mess!! I wish I had found that though.... I would have bought it on impulse..... as a matter of fact if its cheap sell it to me. I can wrap myself around that for the next 10 years.

Whats cheap??Please make me an offer! Apparently its NOT worth as much as i was thinking.

" i'll let you know how i make out in about 2hrs..Thanks Phil in NY." Phil ... I;m not looking to get into another project .. but it sure sounds like we are near each other ...where in NY are you .. I;m 2 hours from albany also ? lets see some pics of your Pantera ?

Ron

ron , thats the pictures. i'm 40mins north of albany (kingston)

From past posts, the Goose experts say parts are not available ie: windows or what parts are out there are very expensive. At the very least this car should serve as an organ donor. Very sad to see a rare car left to die in a dirt field. Chuck

yes! a shame to say the least..

last one

Kingston ... 45 min north of me ... if you get this car at agood price .. it looks like an organ donor to me also ...

Ron

HI I just restored my 1974 pantera . It was in vary good shape when I started .Did most of the work my self and it cost me over 37,000 . that car will cost 70,000 to 80,000 to restore

Thanks for all the input..BUT NOW is the time to let it ALL hang out!! PLEASE you will not hurt my feelings. Whats it worth? I don't have the money to lay out then have to sit on this car to long. I understand its beyond repair. So call your friends around the globe and lets see if we can put it to some good ...Let's start with the side glass in the wings (don't know the name for them)

Just out of curiosity, does the car have a free and clear title, or is NY different in not having titles after a certain amount of time? I know that some states out east are different than where I am from when titles are involved.

clean open registration, pre 74 no title's here in the great state of taxes. oops i mean New York..UPDATE...local fellow here interested in buying this car from me offered 7500 truth be told that 500 more then i paid..should i say good by or good buy??

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Originally posted by baberz02:
clean open registration, pre 74 no title's here in the great state of taxes. oops i mean New York..UPDATE...local fellow here interested in buying this car from me offered 7500 truth be told thats 500 more then i paid..should i say good by or good buy??

Just guesses here, but here are some things to consider if you were to part out the car...

Mangusta wheels: $2500
Side Glass (in good condition): $1000
Windshield: $1500
ZF Transaxle: $5000
Misc body bits/surfaces: $2000 (or more)

But, if you can't afford to sit on it too long to part it out over time the quick and easy solution is the $7500 offer and you're done with it.

fwiw....I have $2,500. burning a hole in my pocket right now for anyone who offers up a clean set of Mangusta wheels.

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Originally posted by garth66:
Just guesses here, but here are some things to consider if you were to part out the car...

Mangusta wheels: $2500
Side Glass (in good condition): $1000
Windshield: $1500
ZF Transaxle: $5000
Misc body bits/surfaces: $2000 (or more)

But, if you can't afford to sit on it too long to part it out over time the quick and easy solution is the $7500 offer and you're done with it.

off topic, sort of, but getting opinions....my goose is NOT original, so don't use that angle when you reply, but with the tan and brown interior, I was thinking that an original set of wheels would look pretty SICK in gold? I know silver would be awesome, but what are opinions of gold on these magical wheels that I don't have yet :/

Old school. Now you need to find a set of Dunlop GT Qualifiers. I think the shade of gold would need to be exactly correct, almost a "magnesium Halibrand" color. This particular shade of gold is a little too dark imho.


Jay (known as JM3 on Fchat)

completely agree, wrong shade, those look to 'copper ish', could be against the copper car influence, but that color right there wouldn't be bad at all, considering the tan, NOT gold interior color? NOT a fan of the raised white letters, although they are kinda cool

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Originally posted by garth66:
Just guesses here, but here are some things to consider if you were to part out the car...

Mangusta wheels: $2500
Side Glass (in good condition): $1000
Windshield: $1500
ZF Transaxle: $5000
Misc body bits/surfaces: $2000 (or more)

But, if you can't afford to sit on it too long to part it out over time the quick and easy solution is the $7500 offer and you're done with it.

....when you say side glass, what is that ??

baberz, did you retrieve my PM? thanks..

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....when you say side glass, what is that ??

door glass/windows. Again, these are all guesstimates. Any info you get from Steve Leibenow or other Goose owners will be much more accurate.

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Originally posted by red86dd:
baberz, did you retrieve my PM? thanks..

Yes.. i sent one back also..

It's hard to put a value on that car until it is looked over completely. From the time its been sitting and the looks from the pictures, it may have a lot more "damage" than meets the eye. It is probably rusted and corroded more than initially seen and many of the parts may be useless. The wheels have to be inspected as magnesium corrodes and cracks. The ZF was sitting for a long time and the internals may be toast, leaving the case and bell housing (if those are not corroded) You also need to check the glass to make sure that it is not seperating.

I recently looked at the most rusted out Pantera that I have ever seen and upon close inspection, the car although complete was not worth much. All electrical including gauges were corroded internally and shot. Every panel was rusted through, the motor was frozen and the ZF just didn't spin right.

The parts can be worth a lot of money IF they are usable. The key word here is IF.

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The parts can be worth a lot of money IF they are usable. The key word here is IF.

......Thanks dennis..I find it hard to believe there is a car out there with more rust then this..The battery has fallen to the ground..but the tubed frame looks great..the car is up on blocks if you can believe that..

Wow what a find. I have also been looking for a project Mangusta. Tell you one thing, looks scary but at the same time I would spend many days and nights thinking whether I wanted to part-out the car. Keep us posted.

Denis

i really would love to just get it home and look at it for a while..i mean come on how cool would it be just sitting in the yard!! bet i would have a lot of NEW friends stop by. when will I ever be able to get another?? so what if it has no rims..it has no floors so why do i need the rims??LOL

baberz.... Don't do it!! (bring it home and stare at it....!!!) That's what I did! Look what it got me! Goose sh*t spread all over my garage!!! (See other post on forum Mangusta Issues: "Ooops I did it again....")

I was only gonna keep the car "a couple of months" to raid the Boss 302 that was in it and "just drop in a small block to make it go down the road..." Here I am 12-13 years later..no way I'd sell the car!

So, I caution you agains bringing it home and sitting around staring at it.....

Steve

Fascinating pictures! This car is way beyond economical restoration. It's so rusty there would probably be no salvageable panels at all. Even the aluminium panels would be bulging on there frames. Anyone attempting this would end up creating a completely new car and swapping the chassis plate over at the end. In fact, that chassis plate looks pretty rough too, so that would have to be remade also. I bet the glass in the clocks would be salvageable.

It would have to be worth $500,000 when finished to justify it. I would hate to see it broken up for spares, I think it should go into a museum just the way it is. If I had the money and space I would buy a car like this just to look at.

Johnny

I say get a picture of the car put it in front of you and have your wife hit you in the head with a shovel ... it will be very painful but the cost of the doctors bills and the pain will only last a few weeks ... but the pain and cost of this car will last a life time before you can enjoy it.

LOL

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Originally posted by accobra:
I say get a picture of the car put it in front of you and have your wife hit you in the head with a shovel ... it will be very painful but the cost of the doctors bills and the pain will only last a few weeks ... but the pain and cost of this car will last a life time before you can enjoy it./////
///'''Oooooh accobra you MUST know her!! thats a good one ..it will be in the yard Saturday..
LOL

My statement was only in good fun .. good luck and god bless ...enjoy it in good health and happiness. Call me I would like to take a run up with my Pantera one weekend and check it out.

Ron

Good fun , thats how i took it, now the wife might not see it that way..i'll let you know when it will be on DISPLAY !!

Anyone who knows me well knows that I make stupid decisions all the time, but even I would not attempt to restore that car. I'm not sure whether that opinion falls into the "stupid" category or the "finally making good decisions" category, but I agree with the wise men here who all state that even parts from that car might not be worth much given the "storage" conditions.

My advice: put it on eBay with a $8K reserve and see what happens. Someone might actually pay $20K for it. It would not surprise me.

Hey, very few people can ever claim they owned a Mangusta once in their lives and you at least have that now!

Mark

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"finally making good decisions"

..who me.!! never gonna happen.LOL..I really don't do the e-bay thing.

Actually Mark's idea is a GREAT one!! About 2 years ago I dragged my wife out to some remote place in long island to check out a Mangusta that was listed on ebay. This car was toast, I believe PanteraDoug and I spoke about it on the phone in great detail at the time. The owner (no title) leveled with me. He actually got paid to tow it from someone's yard. The car was JUNK, completely burned from the engine compartment forward....BURNED. The only thing left were the 2 fenders (barely repairable) and the ZF. I figured it was my duty to go see this car, as in how many times in my life would I get the chance?
I educated the guy on the car, I offered him $3500 in cash and he accepted with the caveat that we waited until the end of the auction. He did me the favor, I was dreaming. The car sold for around $10,000 sight unseen to someone in CA who sent a flat bed to pick it up. The very same car appeared back on ebay as the buyer got waaay ahead of himself in thinking to either restore it or make it a track car. I followed some of the auction on this car and I believe the guy didn't even recoup a third of his money.
Moral of the story.... Sell it on ebay. Or I'll offer you $3500 for it!
BTW, my wife still thinks I was insane for even contemplating getting involved with a car like that.
Good luck!

What makes people let a car so nice rot like that?
What a great story...guess Pebble Beach is out of her league.
How many mangusta's where ever build?

Michel

I agree with Mark. Put it on eBay. It worked for me last year with a project Pantera I was selling. There is a huge demand for these in Europe. As soon as the listing was up I was getting calls from all over Europe asking what my lowest price was. Finally on the fourth day a gentleman from Germany offered what I was asking so I pulled the listing. He took care of all the shipping arrangements and costs.

I can give you some help with eBay if you like.

PM me.

-William

OK, Let's put it on E-bay. when its here should i do anything to it? or maybe just let it stay where it is now (the guy doesn't mind) I'm kinda scared to move it ..and William i will keep that in mind. Also I must say this is a great site with many great an helpful people..Forgot to mention the mileage on this BEAUTY is 47k

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Originally posted by baberz02:
OK, Let's put it on E-bay. when its here should i do anything to it? or maybe just let it stay where it is now (the guy doesn't mind) I'm kinda scared to move it ..and William i will keep that in mind. Also I must say this is a great site with many great an helpful people..Forgot to mention the mileage on this BEAUTY is 47k

Don't forget the obligatory eBay caveat:

A/C does not blow cold, it probably just needs a charge"

Wow 1732 hits in less than 3 days! We do love the Mangusta. It is criminal that this car was put up on blocks and left to rot like some old pickup truck.

Hopefully someone with the financial ability will take the challenge of bringing this beauty back to life. (Adams Hudson are you listening?)

I love my Pantera and the timeless styling. But the Mangusta is a piece of art.

Yes the a/c works and of course it will make the 1672mi trip home no problem gas up and go...Here's another thing i forgot, the keys are and have been in the ignition the whole time it has been sitting !!!

No Pantera or deTomaso content:

How about another beauty to restore alongside the Goose? The Mrs. would really throw the frying pans now.

http://www.gullwingmotorcars.c...n=display&autoID=646

looks like someone is undercutting your price for a car in comparable condition?

Didn't i tell you ..I had to move that 1958 AUSTIN HEALEY out of the way to get to the goose..its in better shape because it was on the blacktop driveway..maybe a trade up for the mangusta?

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Originally posted by baberz02:

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The parts can be worth a lot of money IF they are usable. The key word here is IF.

......Thanks dennis..I find it hard to believe there is a car out there with more rust then this..The battery has fallen to the ground..but the tubed frame looks great..the car is up on blocks if you can believe that..

The Pantera that I recently looked at was rusted through in every panel including the roof. The frame was so rusted that the suspension mounting bolts had pulled through it.
At least the goose has aluminum gullwings and front hood!

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Originally posted by Vereeken:
What makes people let a car so nice rot like that?
What a great story...guess Pebble Beach is out of her league.
How many mangusta's where ever build?

Michel

401

Michel, years 1967 to 1970, 401 Mangustas were built. Chuck

How do i find out what # this car is ?

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Don't forget the obligatory eBay caveat:
"A/C does not blow cold, it probably just needs a charge"

Or how about the other one I see on ebay all the time: "Just some surface rust. If you can do your own machanical work you can turn this into an $80,000 car for a fraction of the cost!" Yeah right!

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Hopefully someone with the financial ability will take the challenge of bringing this beauty back to life.

Or the time and skills, ala Johnny Woods!

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How do i find out what # this car is ?

8MA 1006 (if I read it correctly) is your VIN #

can i/you tell what # car this is out of the 401?

according the the Mangusta Registry on MangustaInternational website it would fall somewhere right near the middle of production with that serial number

It's believed that serial number start at 8MA500 and only even numbers were used. So that would make yours no 253. Other factors are also to be considered yours is a 4 headlight car as in early cars, later US cars had 2 headlights.

a good source is http://www.mangustainternational.com

Denis

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Hopefully someone with the financial ability will take the challenge of bringing this beauty back to life.

Or the time and skills, ala Johnny Woods!

Johnny posted on this thread and even he admitted it was beyond economical restoration

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Originally posted by Joules5:

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Hopefully someone with the financial ability will take the challenge of bringing this beauty back to life.

Or the time and skills, ala Johnny Woods!

Johnny posted on this thread and even he admitted it was beyond economical restoration

YES, but there is always that one person with more Money then...well let just leave it at that!

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"When the Power of Love overcomes the Love of Power, the World will know peace" - Jimi Hendrix

I would LOVE to feel the power of the love you all have when you drive your cars..(SIGH)...anyway what motor is in this car? meaning was this 302 made only for the mangusta's ?

The Euro Mangustas had a hotted up 289 but some Euro cars and almost (if not) all American market cars were shipped with a pretty basic Ford 302 V8. Not much for pep which is a good thing since the Goose isn't really known for being a driver-friendly car.

I remember reading an interview with a well-known Goose owner who, when asked what the car's best feature was responded (and this is from enhanced memory, not literally what he said): "I'd have to say the most enjoyable aspect of Mangusta ownership is sitting in a comfortable chair with a fine cigar, a glass of good scotch and just looking at it". It's all I do with mine at the moment (well, except the cigars and scotch...).

Mark

Here is tag from a similar Manguta with 302 of 1968 vintage.

tag reads as follows: 302 (uh!); C engine plant : Cleveland ; 68 model year ; 1 change level
8G Prod date: 8=1968, G=Jul ; 283 = 302 cu.in. with F4 (ford 4 bbl carb) part list 60.5 ; J (for 1968) it's the Mustang only engine .... 10:1 comp ratio 235hp@4800rpm 310ftlbs@2800rpm, head volume 52 or 55 cc

So difference is really the final ratio and weight of car. Mangusta has a 5th gear OD of 0.85 and final drive ratio 4.22 weight 2915 lbs . Mustang had 3 sp (no OD) and rear end ratio 3.25 weight 3420

ha, so true, they make perfect 'garage queens', they sure are nice to look at, but you don't want to mussy 'em up I would like to drive someone's 'driver' Mangusta to see what they are like, lol! I'm not driving mine!...don't want it to get dirty .....(bangs head on wall)

This guy (his old name is george) told me its a 289 with 302 heads is that correct?

Phil, The early cars had 289 because that's what Ford had and the later cars had 302...

Now that doesn't mean this particular car doesn't have that combo. Steve (Mangusta) has a Boss 302 in his. You can bolt in just about any Ford part. Looks like you have a 2bbl carb and aftermarket valve covers on yours.



Denis

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Originally posted by 7260:
Michel, years 1967 to 1970, 401 Mangustas were built. Chuck

401 Mangusta's and still they manage to end up with someone who does not give a toss. Thanks for the info Chuck.
It is weird. I am sure that back in the eighties this guy must have known that this is a rare exotic. I can understand that you let it sit in a garage and not restore it because you do not have the skills or means but letting it rot....

Michel

If you buy it, I need the driver's door glass. Ben

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Originally posted by baberz02:
This guy (his old name is george) told me its a 289 with 302 heads is that correct?

I believe that only the Euro models had the HP 289. U.S. spec cars came with the Low Perf 302

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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
The Euro Mangustas had a hotted up 289 but some Euro cars and almost (if not) all American market cars were shipped with a pretty basic Ford 302 V8. Not much for pep which is a good thing since the Goose isn't really known for being a driver-friendly car.

I remember reading an interview with a well-known Goose owner who, when asked what the car's best feature was responded (and this is from enhanced memory, not literally what he said): "I'd have to say the most enjoyable aspect of Mangusta ownership is sitting in a comfortable chair with a fine cigar, a glass of good scotch and just looking at it". It's all I do with mine at the moment (well, except the cigars and scotch...).

Mark

In an early Motor Trend or Car and Driver article, the author wrote "there are many other cars that I would rather drive but none that I'd rather be seen in"

I found this to be so true. In my opinion, it was one of the most uncomfortable cars that I have ever driven but it turned heads more than any car that I have ever owned. I spent many an hour cleaning and admiring it which make up my fonder memories of owning that car!

As i said before i'm not a mangusta/ford guy so is it possible that this car came with a 289 w/302 heads?? Also the guy i got the car from worked on wall street in the early 80s and something happen to him between his job and his wife leaving him. I really think he just does not want to remember that time in his life.. he did say he feel into a major depression. So i didn't press him on that part of his life! but he seems to be willing to tell me anything about the car that he knows. He does know alot about these cars (i don't) something about ghia and sombody fighting with ford or something (sorry i just don't know)..anyway what should i be asking about?? I hope it OK that I post my 440 dart here, that was NO easy fit my friend!!

it's a great story and we are all enjoying watching you live it

take that motor put it in the rusted Goose and make yourself the ultimate 'rat rod'!! They are popular here! NO ONE has seen a goose ratrod!!

just a thought

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Originally posted by red86dd:
it's a great story and we are all enjoying watching you live it

take that motor put it in the rusted Goose and make yourself the ultimate 'rat rod'!! They are popular here! NO ONE has seen a goose ratrod!!!!!!!!


.....I was thinking the same thing!! not about the 440, but just taking the mangusta body off and throwing some kinda floors and just messing with it. I know i can get it running and rat rods are so big around here now. Plus i do have a guy that does his only metal work...Now running i can do , that trans axle might be a bit much. ..But the wife is warming up to this PROJECT thanks to this great forum and you guys..come on give my some thoughts..junk it, part it, play with it, rod it, donate it....ever see that show Chasing Classic Cars?..or maybe PIMP MY RIDE (or not)LOL
just a thought

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Originally posted by baberz02:

quote:

Originally posted by red86dd:
it's a great story and we are all enjoying watching you live it

take that motor put it in the rusted Goose and make yourself the ultimate 'rat rod'!! They are popular here! NO ONE has seen a goose ratrod!!!!!!!!


.....I was thinking the same thing!! not about the 440, but just taking the mangusta body off and throwing some kinda floors and just messing with it. I know i can get it running and rat rods are so big around here now. Plus i do have a guy that does his only metal work...Now running i can do , that trans axle might be a bit much. ..But the wife is warming up to this PROJECT thanks to this great forum and you guys..come on give my some thoughts..junk it, part it, play with it, rod it, donate it....ever see that show Chasing Classic Cars?..or maybe PIMP MY RIDE (or not)LOL
just a thought

Sell it to the other guy who wanted it, make a quick $500! Give the little woman a $100 for shopping and you come out a hero! Baw ha ha ha

Hi Baberz

I would definately be interested in the 2no rear quater light bezels ( Chrome trims around the rear deck lids small side window ) and the 2no head light surrounds/bezels if they are in reworkable condition ? Just a thought...

Kind regards Taz UK...00447770613987...8MA 1294 RHD currently being Johnny Woodanised

I don't know what a 2no is, but if its what you need, whats it worth to you?

Hi Baberz

2no means the quantity in the UK ...sorry...what I mean is both of the headlight bezels/surrounds..oblongish shapes with 2 holes for the headlights to poke through...they are screwed in through the face from memory

Then its the one on each side of the gull wings of the triangulish shaped chrome trims that go round the small back side windows...you can only see 1 in the photos so dont know if the other one is missing or on the floor ?...let me know if you have them and there condition and I will make you a proper offer for them and can paypal or bacs the money straight away

Kind regards to all you fellow Gooose Owners...Taz

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Originally posted by duz185:
I agree with Mark. Put it on eBay. It worked for me last year with a project Pantera I was selling. There is a huge demand for these in Europe. As soon as the listing was up I was getting calls from all over Europe asking what my lowest price was. Finally on the fourth day a gentleman from Germany offered what I was asking so I pulled the listing. He took care of all the shipping arrangements and costs.

I can give you some help with eBay if you like.

PM me.

-William

....OK ..this car is in BAD shape underside is gone, i still have not moved it home..what i would like to know is where to list parts for sale on this site? for now i have the pass. side little window thats goes in the gullwing area..here's some numbers/letters on it Visaterm dgm 5968 vt plate as2 vis m18..should i try e-bay

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what i would like to know is where to list parts for sale on this site?

The 'Parts for Sale' section:
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/...s/a/frm/f/4250045562

i'll give that a try, thanks.

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Originally posted by baberz02:
clean open registration, pre 74 no title's here in the great state of taxes. oops i mean New York..UPDATE...local fellow here interested in buying this car from me offered 7500 truth be told that 500 more then i paid..should i say good by or good buy??

I think that every part that you sell off the car will make the car worth a whole lot LESS.

I don't see $7000 worth of parts here and who wants to buy this car with important, now hard to find, pieces missing?

If someone offers you a $500 profit on the whole deal, take the money and run.

$500.really. Why do that and have the next guy part it out? maybe I'll be able to help others get that hard to find piece they need. Even if i come up short in my 7k investment, i can still say "i've got one of those out back" and i can always dream. What do you think someone else is going to do with it? Is anybody going to take that job on? Not trying to ruffle any feathers but i can always rebuild the engine and have a good motor correct. Maybe someone can use the glass as molds/moulds? I don't know ?? ..I GOT IT I'LL TRADE IT FOR A MOPAR..YES THATS IT...

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I GOT IT I'LL TRADE IT FOR A MOPAR..YES THATS IT...

You should have bought a Mopar in the first place!



sorry, just kidding.

Around here (NY) that is what ALL 70s cars look like, rust rust and did i mention RUST..i had my 70 dart shipped to me from CA. sight unseen, i knew it couldn't be as bad as what was around here..LOL

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Originally posted by baberz02:
Maybe someone can use the glass as molds?[/b]...

That is a very realistic idea. That glass is probably not perfect but I was speaking to Steve Wilkinson a while ago and he was looking for a set to do exactly that. He would probably replace it with a new set in "payment" for having the old set as a start.

Mark

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Originally posted by Mark .. That glass is probably not perfect.

Mark

.
perfect no !! but this glass was NOT sitting out with the car, it was in the car under some old news paper. So its not all that bad . What would you need to make templates? You can see a picture of it in the for sale forum if you like..just trying to help someone here before e-Bay

Phil,

Did you get my PM?

Mark

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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:

quote:

Originally posted by baberz02:
Maybe someone can use the glass as molds?[/b]...

That is a very realistic idea. That glass is probably not perfect but I was speaking to Steve Wilkinson a while ago and he was looking for a set to do exactly that. He would probably replace it with a new set in "payment" for having the old set as a start.

Mark

quote:

Originally posted by Mark Charlton:

quote:

Originally posted by baberz02:
Maybe someone can use the glass as molds?[/b]...

That is a very realistic idea. That glass is probably not perfect but I was speaking to Steve Wilkinson a while ago and he was looking for a set to do exactly that. He would probably replace it with a new set in "payment" for having the old set as a start.

Mark

Steve Wilkenson has done that using as a mold the windshield of 8MA1126 which I now own .I have a spare windshield from Steve that came with the car. The new windshield fits perfectly. Jerry

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Originally posted by baberz02:
tag....

Amazing I have seen quite a few Mangustas and NONE had the id plate located in the boot filled out .They are most always BLANK.Jerry

quote:

Originally posted by pantera3322:
HI I just restored my 1974 pantera . It was in vary good shape when I started .Did most of the work my self and it cost me over 37,000 . that car will cost 70,000 to 80,000 to restore

The car will cost 250000$ to restore to as new condition( of course it wont be as new) if the work is commissioned out.I have a car that cost 178000 just to do the MECHANICAL restoration not including body and paint, Jerry

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Originally posted by mangustaman:

quote:

Originally posted by pantera3322:
HI I just restored my 1974 pantera . It was in vary good shape when I started .Did most of the work my self and it cost me over 37,000 . that car will cost 70,000 to 80,000 to restore

The car will cost 250000$ to restore to as new condition( of course it wont be as new) if the work is commissioned out.I have a car that cost 178000 just to do the MECHANICAL restoration not including body and paint, Jerry

That car is 1970 Mangusta 8MA1256

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Originally posted by baberz02:
302 a/c

)OK from what i've seen so far I will pay more than 7500.Call me at 928-853-0473 and lets see how we can get this deal done.Jerry AZ

mangustaman ..I'm sorry but i really don't understand what you are trying to say.like what does "That car is 1970 Mangusta 8MA1256"

Hi Baberz....Its the year tha car was produced and its the chassis number of the car

All the best Taz

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Originally posted by baberz02:
mangustaman ..I'm sorry but i really don't understand what you are trying to say.like what does "That car is 1970 Mangusta 8MA1256"

Phil, What Jerry is saying is that the car that had a stellar amount of $$ poured into it is 8MA1256, his silver 1970 Goose.

I sent you a Private Message but received no reply. I assume you still haven't decided what to do and I hope you will let us all know when you do.

quote:

Originally posted by mangustaman:

quote:

Originally posted by baberz02:
302 a/c

)OK from what i've seen so far I will pay more than 7500.Call me at 928-853-0473 and lets see how we can get this deal done.Jerry AZ

.OK jerry, i'll be at a local car show this weekend but will call you to see what we can do about getting something done soon..OK?

Is anybody REALLY interested in buying this car? i have not sold any parts YET..because i have been doing some local(car) swap meets .With a bunch of my old mopar parts going fast.. maybe this thing could be next..I have no interest in this car..to me it's a 302 ford with some rims that may or may not be worth much..please let me know what it worth to YOU

Barbez02 PM me for the mangusta

Phil,
Can you contact me, I am interested



Thanks,

Hello Baberz02 I have sent you several messages to buy the car but you dont reply.public or PM. What do you want to do?

Don't feel bad Jerry. He hasn't replied to any of my PMs either. But really, don't you have your hands full already?

Mark

Hello Mark Yea but I'm buying everything to try to find an original air cleaner and this car may have one. I'm going up to pick up the other project next week ,guess what: no original air cleaner! Jerry

Hello all The story about David Carridine's death ( no way suicide)on Larry King yesterday showed the green Mangusta several times in the clips from kill Bill.The car is in Mangusta International also. Jerry

Phil,

Did you take the other pictures down???

If not, the new system I have may need a something-or-other to be loaded......stupid computers....can't figure out how to do what I want them to do.....

Steve

Do anyone now what´s happen with 8MA1006?

8MA 1006 is one of about half the known Mangustas that is unlisted in any of the three DeTomaso Registries, due to owner inaction. From the serial #, it was a 1970- build. It's possible it could be either a late import U.S- spec' single headlight car, or a Euro-spec double-headlight assembly, and nothing more is known. If you locate it, please mention to the owner the advantages of listing the car in some Registry.

Yikes, my neck of the woods too. I could always find room for a 'goose somewhere?

This is a car in very very neglected condition. If someone had a new body available, this would be the proverbial candidate for moving the old vin tag to the new body and re-stamping numbers in the frame...... "we cut off the rust and welded on new sheet metal"....

I doubt that any of us will see this particular car back on the road in our lifetimes.....unless it is in pieces an on many cars!

A true shame....

Steve

I can't think about this any more. It is too upsetting.

I went to a town auction once where there was a theft recovery on a '72 Pantera.

It had been sitting in the town impound yard for about 5 years and was sunk into the mud about 5 or 6 inches.

Of the two or three hundred cars there, most buyers were there to see the Pantera.

It got sold for $7500 because the guy wanted the transaxle.

As I was leaving they were winching it out of the mud up a flatbed. I was watching to see if the car would break in two.

Very sick feeling to even think about it really.

Most people just don't understand the fragility of these cars sheet metal and even the monoque.

Pitty. Most of these smucks should have stayed to their Camaros. That's about the level of intelligence they are capable of.

Even Corvette owners have some intelligence if you closely look for it.

I saw a picture of the manufactor plapue of this car. It's in German language.
So I think it was first registed in Germany.