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So here is a question!! The stock air cleaner has a fitting and foam filter on the outside “can” of the assembly. (outside the round main engine air filter) The hose to the fitting goes to the breather/oil filler cap on the right side engine valve cover. This makes sense as this is the fresh air intake for the engine ‘internal breathing” and works with the PCV valve on the left valve cover which is connected to the carb. base and is metering air out of the engine under vacuum. Some of the after market air cleaner assemblies have a connecting pipe for the hose to the breather/filler cap attached to the inside or vacuum side of the air filter base plate inside the round main engine filter and so my question:  Would this "inside"  attachment position be under vacuum and in fact suck out air from the filler/breather cap and work against the PCV valve?

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I have my PCV to carb on the left valve cover and my breather to the underside of my K&N air filter.  I also T connected the tank connection that went to the old charcoal canister which was dumped long ago.  From the web, here is why I did that:

"There is no difference between a breather, and the connection to the air filter assembly, both are filtered air inlets to the engine to allow air flow through the crankcase. The PCV pulls air out of one side of the engine, replacement (filtered) air comes through either a push in breather or the connector tube to the air filter assembly. Functionally identical"

@Dan A. posted:

.  Would this "inside"  attachment position be under vacuum and in fact suck out air from the filler/breather cap and work against the PCV valve?

IF there is significant vacuum inside the air filter, you need a new/clean filter.

I have never measured / nor recall published info, but I would expect only a few inches of WATER at WOT.  where as the intake vacuum is inches of MECURY (Hg to H20 is ~14:1).   i would expect the pressure drop caused by the snorkel itself would be more than inside an open aftermarket cleaner

@panterapatt posted:

Air at the air cleaner is effectively at atmospheric pressure.  The movement of the piston creates a partial vacuum of which atmospheric pressure air flows into.

...actually...there is No such thing as a 'Vacuum'. It's a term used to describe the 'Absence of Atmospheric Pressure'. This is a Negative Pressure, that can be worked in a Mathematical Formula, where as a 'Vacuum' is '0' Zero, and will Only produce Zero when tried to work in a Formula. Make Sense??

The Piston does Not Create a Vacuum. "The Piston Creates a VOID, that is filled by the rushing in of Atmospheric Pressure. You were Half Correct.

Interestingly Enough is the AP at Sea Level is Approximately 14.7 PSIG, which coincides Exactly with the 'Perfect' Stochiometric Ratio of Air to Fuel at 14.7:1

Further, a Pressure Gauge held in Your Hand, Not hooked up to Anything....Should be Reading 14.7 PSIG, from the existing AP.

and it would, if in a Bell Jar, with the INLET from OUTSIDE of the Jar, Open to AP...and INSIDE the jar was a 'Absence of Atmospheric Pressure', (Near) Zero! The Gauge would read 14.7 PSI at Sea-Level.

MJ

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