I'd have to agree with DeTom, I think it is an illusion from the carpet fibers.
Despite the fact it has a mouse hair dash, Euro gauges, later style clock & seats (All which could be added easily), in looking more closely at the Ebay photo's this car also has;
1. US impact bumpers front & rear
2. US sidelights (Euro cars had none or a button front side indicator lamp)
3. Early style heater control panel (an '87 would have the later Maserati unit)
4. Narrow heater/air vents (Later cars had wider vents)
5. Handbrake on the righthand side of the center console. (cars after 92** had the e-brake on the drivers side of the console)
6. Std door panels (later cars had crinkle leather)
Without a thorough inspection of this car and/or some sort of provenance in writing I think it would be difficult to establish it's true history. I presonally err toward it being a US car with some updated features and rebuild of the inner fenders front and rear.
I asked Chuck Melton (Prova Mo) about the VIN, etc. Here is his reply:
Thanks for the tip-off. This is something the DeTomaso Forum might appreciate.
David found the ebay listing… Note the over-stamping on the VIN…. Hmmm.
THPN is common to all the Panteras (except the 150 USA GTS cars that have THGT)
The next character is “L” (which is only valid for 1971 model cars.)
(LC LK LD LE LL LY LS LT LJ LU LM LP)
It would appear that one character is missing.
Next typically would be the 0 (zero) followed by the last 4 digits…
This is truly ODD.
As you say it has squared-off inner fenders, Later side mount ZF brackets (1971’s did not have this).
L bumpers, and Euro-L dash (and euro speedo – 300Kmh)…Italian gauges…
And a number of other odd or mix-and-match features (exhaust tips and L bumper)
And yes the “real” 5405 is already in the Registry.
Chuck
Here is a eBay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Pantera-DeTo...dZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
Thanks for the tip-off. This is something the DeTomaso Forum might appreciate.
David found the ebay listing… Note the over-stamping on the VIN…. Hmmm.
THPN is common to all the Panteras (except the 150 USA GTS cars that have THGT)
The next character is “L” (which is only valid for 1971 model cars.)
(LC LK LD LE LL LY LS LT LJ LU LM LP)
It would appear that one character is missing.
Next typically would be the 0 (zero) followed by the last 4 digits…
This is truly ODD.
As you say it has squared-off inner fenders, Later side mount ZF brackets (1971’s did not have this).
L bumpers, and Euro-L dash (and euro speedo – 300Kmh)…Italian gauges…
And a number of other odd or mix-and-match features (exhaust tips and L bumper)
And yes the “real” 5405 is already in the Registry.
Chuck
Here is a eBay auction:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Pantera-DeTo...dZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW
Yes I started typing a reply this morning suggesting to look on the Provamo Registry for duplicate #5405...then thought better of it as you have to give up your first born to get access.
Would be nice to be able to get in there and pull that carpet away to see what is going on.
Would be nice to be able to get in there and pull that carpet away to see what is going on.
quote:Originally posted by Joules5:
Yes I started typing a reply this morning suggesting to look on the Provamo Registry for duplicate #5405...then thought better of it as you have to give up your first born to get access.
Would be nice to be able to get in there and pull that carpet away to see what is going on.
I’ve never been there but it's in the Worldwide Registry http://www.qv500.com/detomasoregistry.php The Worldwide Registry is open and free for anyone to use.
Mike
quote:I’ve never been there but it's in the Worldwide Registry http://www.qv500.com/detomasoregistry.php The Worldwide Registry is open and free for anyone to use.
Thanks Mike I hadn't seen this website before.
quote:I’ve never been there but it's in the Worldwide Registry http://www.qv500.com/detomasoregistry.php The Worldwide Registry is open and free for anyone to use.
Yes, that's where my cars are now as I got bumped from that other one for not providing photos and what sort of crap is it when somoene else can register your cars for membership?
Ben's QV500 site is just a breath of fresh air, I love the look and feel of it and it's the way a registry should be; FREE access for everyone
One of the advantages of open sites is that the search engines have access to them and will index all the information which is a tremendous benefit to all of the de Tomaso owners worldwide. I think what Ben has accomplished is really awesome. Super easy to use too!
Mike
Mike
Julian,
Reading you comment/criticism of my website compelled me to reply, publically.
You did not get "kicked-off". You just never submitted any photos. The photos of your car I took myself at a car show (Monterey). I asked that you send a few additional photos, like the interior, engine, and front trunk to complete the photo page for the car. You have yet to send them.
The Registry is based on the "share" system.
You share with others, and others share with you. Simple. If you can't handle that, fine.
But no "First-born" is required, just submit an entry. OR...
For those that own a car already in the Registry
there is a process to gain control (password protected) of the entry. Details are in the FAQs page, but the bottom line is a very small amount of proof - a few pics.
Some proof is required to maintain the integrity and quality of the Registry.
Ben's site is decent, but there is no way to search. Long ago I offered to work with Ben, I thought working together we could make something bigger, better and more flexible than what we both seperately might provide, but I didn't get any replies. Now the Provamo Registry is the fastest growing, largest (over 1,200 entries),most detailed, and most flexible resource available anywhere (in the world - grin).
Also, Ben's site now lists 5405, but it is the "Mystery VIN" car, not the real car.
What is the point of a Registry if it contains mistakes?
ProvaMo has (photos of) the real 5405.
ProvaMo also shows photos of the Mystery VIN car, including a PHOTO of the VIN that has generated so much interest.
(Under the Mystery Cars section).
I called the owner and had a long talk with him back in January. I felt it was important, fair and necessary to "talk with the source" to maintain accuracy and integrity. I requested a few additional photos to better document the car, and asked for the ZF and motor number for example. I gave him some time to reply.
I never received a reply or any photos, apparently he didn't want to...
share.
Everyone is treated the same at ProvaMo. If you want access to this resource, share. Provide the necessary photos to complete the entry, and you are all set, Julian.
Just like my offer to anyone and everyone.
Add an entry to the Registry (with photos) and you will have access to the Registry.
Easy. Simple. Fair. Share.
Chuck Melton
www.ProvaMo.com
Reading you comment/criticism of my website compelled me to reply, publically.
You did not get "kicked-off". You just never submitted any photos. The photos of your car I took myself at a car show (Monterey). I asked that you send a few additional photos, like the interior, engine, and front trunk to complete the photo page for the car. You have yet to send them.
The Registry is based on the "share" system.
You share with others, and others share with you. Simple. If you can't handle that, fine.
But no "First-born" is required, just submit an entry. OR...
For those that own a car already in the Registry
there is a process to gain control (password protected) of the entry. Details are in the FAQs page, but the bottom line is a very small amount of proof - a few pics.
Some proof is required to maintain the integrity and quality of the Registry.
Ben's site is decent, but there is no way to search. Long ago I offered to work with Ben, I thought working together we could make something bigger, better and more flexible than what we both seperately might provide, but I didn't get any replies. Now the Provamo Registry is the fastest growing, largest (over 1,200 entries),most detailed, and most flexible resource available anywhere (in the world - grin).
Also, Ben's site now lists 5405, but it is the "Mystery VIN" car, not the real car.
What is the point of a Registry if it contains mistakes?
ProvaMo has (photos of) the real 5405.
ProvaMo also shows photos of the Mystery VIN car, including a PHOTO of the VIN that has generated so much interest.
(Under the Mystery Cars section).
I called the owner and had a long talk with him back in January. I felt it was important, fair and necessary to "talk with the source" to maintain accuracy and integrity. I requested a few additional photos to better document the car, and asked for the ZF and motor number for example. I gave him some time to reply.
I never received a reply or any photos, apparently he didn't want to...
share.
Everyone is treated the same at ProvaMo. If you want access to this resource, share. Provide the necessary photos to complete the entry, and you are all set, Julian.
Just like my offer to anyone and everyone.
Add an entry to the Registry (with photos) and you will have access to the Registry.
Easy. Simple. Fair. Share.
Chuck Melton
www.ProvaMo.com