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Originally posted by Mark Charlton:
Peter, does your car not have fog lights in those openings? I can't imagine much brake cooling effect with 80% blockage. Should David re-locate the lights and open the vents up even more? Moot question, I guess if he gets the Lotus... but if he keeps the car (or gets tired of getting tickets and gives it to me Wink )what is the "right" thing to do?


My car did come with the Carello fog lights in the air dam brake cooling ducts. However, I caught a rock in one just before Monterey in 2006, and so I took them out. At obscene expense, I have located replacements, but have not installed them yet.

As far as I know, unless you ordered a Gr3 package, for some reason the factory never put in the hose to route the cold air from the air dam to the brakes. Therefore, the air dam openings were never really functional whether the lights were installed or not. And, yes, I expect that having the lights in the duct would cut 2/3 of the air flow.

It has not been a particularly critical question in my mind, because I have never experienced brake fade in my car despite some very, ummm, shall we say "spirited" driving in what may (or may not - in case my insurance company is reading this PURELY FICTIONAL ACCOUNT) have been a track-like environment.

My SAD-induced harangue to David was more about the GR4 origin of the air dam, and the original functional purpose of the openings in that application. My point was more about the history and the integrity of the original design.

The "right" thing for David to do is to ignore that self-important, bombastic and emetic gas bag from Charlie Lake, BC, and do whatever blows his hair back.
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Originally posted by Peter H:
The "right" thing for David to do is to ignore that self-important, bombastic, and emetic gas bag from Charlie Lake, and do whatever blows his hair back.


Never known him to do anythings else! He breaks (almost) all the rules but has an amazing car and lots of fun. Keeps the rest of us (thankfully) from taking anything too seriously too.
Larry:

I got the lights from Precision Pro-Formance. PM me and I can tell you the price. They did not come in the original box, so I do not have a part number. PPF do not even list their own part numbers on the invoices, so I'm afraid will not be of much help on this question. I'll go out to the shop, shoot some photos and post them for you later today.

I have seen them in the past on E-Bay for a very reasonable price. I recommend you check there first. They may be hard to find in any event. PPF did not have them in stock when I first checked, but they then scrounged a set for me somehow.
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Ok, the dirty deed is done.

I've traded in the big hunk of twisted rubber for these little bumperettes. After much messing around with options I picked these from Hall. Then I ground about half the aluminum off to get the fit I wanted.

Of course, as always, one thing led to another. With my nose clearly exposed (like a guy who cuts off a big mustache he's had all his life) I found all kinds of mess to deal with.

I filled all the cracks and holes and had a friend paint the front. He fixed a bunch of other typical Pantera cracks and then I ended up painting the entire rear face as well.

Anyhow, here it is. A little unorthodox for a legit GT5 owner to do, but a lot nicer than before - I think.

See all the previous pics in this post.

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David,

It looks....well the way it was designed to look, not the way N. American Governments mandated it should look to pass an impact test. Had all GT5's been delivered to Europe they would all be this way anyway, so congratulations you now have a 'true GT5' look.

In regard to the discussion on the air dam cooling ducts, I notice the lower A arms have a hook that earlier cars don't have, presumably to tie the brake ducting to.
David, I know I said that I liked the bumperless look earlier, but I must re-consider.I think the shorty bumpers really tie the car together visually and without a doubt look better that the original big slab of rubber. Every time I see pictures of your car it just keeps looking better and better!
Doug M
David,

I like the bumperless look myself and ditched mine in '06. The cars design can be better seen without it.

However, if you have to have that big bumper, I feel that the GT5 looks the best of all Pantera models with it. With the flares and skirts and wings visibly added on, it looks like another component to that style and blends in the best.

I'm looking forward to seeing it in person this season.

Michael
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