Ford Shelby GT500 Trinity 5.8L V8 - just wondering

There is a thread on the 5.0 swap. It should be an easy find with a search. Seems like a lot of work

.8 liters bigger . . . . or 49.6 cubic inches.

I drove my friends 2014 Shelby GT500 2 hours to his house -- and that 662 horsepower was incredible. The sheriff's deputy was not impressed though, read me the riot act -- and I just put all four feet in the air and said I screwed up. Said I should see the citation in the mail ..... that was 2 months ago.

Awesome engine, but I agree, it's a lot of work getting these to fit in a Pantera. If you try to quantify the amount of money you'll need, I would argue to get your first estimate, and then double it. You'll be close on the cost doing it that way.......

Good Luck!!!!!!!!!!

Pantera Performance in Colorado was doing one last year and I believe someone on this forum is in the process of doing a conversion also.

Attached is a pic of PPC's trial fitting of a Cayote motor in a Pantera from their Facebook page.

Thanks for the replies.

The 5.8L is bigger the than the Coyote, but I can't find the overall engine dimensions on the net in order to compare.

I'll get in touch with Pantera Performance and see what they say.

I'm just considering my options between a Todd Buttermore Alli 351C, a Coyote or 5.8L Trinity...

Thanks.

Best power for the buck would be to go with a cleavland or windsor based motor. Parts are more plentiful for a windsor based motor. To install a 5.4 based mod motor such as the Trinity, if you cannot do the work yourself, bring cubic dollars! Voice of experience speaking!

A supercharged motor would be a real challenge.

The blower pulley would need to extend through the rear window.

Hey Lui, what are you guys hearing on the aluminum Arrow block? Have they got them in production yet? I contacted them about US sales, and the short answer was NO.
Jeff

I found a picture I have of a supercharged 4.6 in a Pantera. IIRC this engine came out of a LSC Lincoln.
Jeff

I was sent to the Great Lakes Pantera Clubs tech page and found this write up of the Mod motor build. I hope this answers any questions for ya.
Jeff
4.6 Supercharged Pantera

This is how it looks with a 4.6 kompressorengine installed. The drive is protruding into the passengerkompartment and I had to put in a smaller window to clear the kompressor.

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Originally posted by agustaboy:
A supercharged motor would be a real challenge.

The blower pulley would need to extend through the rear window.

I know that the blower pulley does not have to extend in through the rear window on a Ford modular motor. It requires a move of the engine back, dry sump lubrication, and CV joints on the drive shafts to the hubs. It can be done, just like anything though, your wallet will be screaming.........

The Ford GT motor has a unique design for the blower sheave setup that takes less axial space. The traditional ford setup is a spider web assembly on the front which takes more axial space. There is an SAE paper describing the Ford GT engine. As DeMopuar states, the wallet will be screaming. Then you have the height of the supercharger issue which will affect your rear visibility.

I believe the 4.6 is a shorter deck motor that the 5.8 which is based on the 5.4L motor. The wheel wells will likely need to be notched. There is a guy in California that is installing a 5.4 supercharged engine himself. Maybe he can chime in.

where's the smiley beating itself with a hammer?

just to prove a point?

why not just go turbo, or turn the lung around & use a jackshaft?

Hi all. thanks for the replies thus far.

My GT5S is already running the 4.6, with no modification(that I can see)made to the fire wall.

As to the Arrow block, I haven't really been following it that much at all. I would want to see how the Tod Buttermore block holds up.

To get the post back on topic though, my initial query was really about the overall dimensions of the trinity 5.8. I haven' been able to find anything on the internet that gives that information, and being in Australia I'm not exactly surrounded by an abundance of SH500 Mustang's.

Having said all that, if the figure to go with the trinity 5.8l is in the six figures, that will put an end to that idea anyway.

Hi Lui,
After your post here, it had me thinking. Sorry to have posted the 4.6 engine install info, I didn't know your car was set up with a mod motor already.
I did do some research, and finding a 5.8T for sale was more difficult than I thought it would be. I only found one source for them, it seems like Ford does not list them, and from what I was told you do have to "have connections?" to get them from Ford. I did see Ford has the block in aluminum available, and since the Shelby's block use's a spray welded liner. I would consider that a throw away block.
Here is the source for the 5.8T 5.8T for sale.
The rep there told me the 5.8 does have the same dimensions as the 5.4 mod motors. But at $31k US for the motor, plus the modifications needed to set the motor back.
Hope this helps.
Jeff

Jeff,
thanks for the info.

I'll be keeping an eye on any 5.4 mods that come along.

Any engine upgrade is a few years away, but one needs to start looking at what is feasible, budget requirements, and similar mods being done, well in advance so as to make an informed decision.

Thanks again.

One could go with a centrifical type blower that wouldn't take up any forward space. I think one type is called "Pro Charger", belt driven, looks like a big turbo, but could fit without modifying the car I think.

You don't HAVE to run a roots type blower.