Need some info on the Moroso 72202 distributor ...

Ron,

the Moroso dizzy has a pair of inductive triggers, ala MSD, ala Ford Duraspark. Any module designed for an inductive trigger should work.

Its a very well built dizzy by the way.

Ever thought of this one?

http://www.compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm

Thanks George,

Excuse my ignorance .. but hear is where I lack knowledge ... electronics.

Couple Questions if you dont mind ..

1. Would I use 2 MSD's ..which model..s there are a few?
2. Would Durapark boxes ss would work with coil ss .. that type of set up ? Or would this be set up with one set of everything ?

Yes I have been thinking about which to use Moroso states ...it pretty much works out of the box .. and I found a new ..well slighlty used for 250.00.

The moral to the story I was searching for info..let say directions of what would I need to make this a complete system ... I have the picture now.

Ron

Heres their sales pitch ..

Top-notch oval track distributors from Moroso.
Moroso has teamed up with Nelson Crozier to design a race-proven series of oval track distributors for Chevy, Ford, and Dodge engines for engine builders who desire the ultimate in timing accuracy. Moroso DuraBillet distributors are available with either a single pickup or dual pickups to provide a flip-of-the-switch backup system or alternate timing setup. These precision racing components set a new standard for ignition accuracy that others could only hope to duplicate! Each comes race-ready without the need for expensive tuneups or modifications. And each is built with the quality, reliability, and performance that you've come to expect from Moroso.

Each trigger in the dizzy is connected to separate ignition module, each module is connected to a separate coil, the output of each coil is connected to a coil selector , the output of the coil selector is connected to the center terminal of the distributor cap.

You select which module is running via a switch in the passenger compartment that powers up only one module at a time.

In regards to which module to run, well, it depends upon what you are using the car for. If you're racing the car, let your motor builder specify the module. If you want ultimate reliability for a street car nothing beats a Duraspark module.

Here's a pic

Thanks George ...you have one ? I hope it fits in my Pantera ?

Ron

The Dizzy on the right is a Ford Duraspark dizzy, the Dizzy on the left is an MSD model 8350 ready to run dizzy.

The MSD dizzy is a tight fit in the Pantera due to its verticle height, it barely clears the engine screen, and wants to rub the channel that runs over the top of the opening in the firewall.

The Moroso is almost 2 inches shorter than the MSD, height is no problem. Its pretty wide, the cap is 5" OD compared to the MSD which is only about 3 1/2" OD, but it will be sticking out in the firewall opening, so the diameter shouldn't be a problem.

Great pix, George!

I have been contemplating an upgrade to a new dist. What's the consensus out there?

Cool George,

So whats your opinion is the Moroso overkill with dual everything .. So what would you use ?

2 durasparks or 2 MSD's ?

Coils ..the std duraspark coil or the other style thats looks like a transformer ?

Ron

As I did'nt get any kind of a reaction to my earlier post, George - What do you think of this system? The system is quite small with no ignition wires and the coils can be mounted anywhere, even on the firewall with the wires brought up under the headers (as I have 180's). I was also concerned with clearance problems as I have constantly had problems with getting at the wires from around my Webers. This system should solve any problems.

http://www.compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm

Any comments?

Steve

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Originally posted by panterasteve:
What do you think of this system? ....

http://www.compu-tronix.com/DIS8.htm

Any comments?

Steve, that system looks awesome - sleek and new school, for sure. That said, I will be interested to see if anyone makes comment. I am by no means an expert ...

EA

I can only speak from personal experience. I've owned my car for over 20 years and had ignition problems for most of those years and experimented with every option.

In 2000 I switched to an all MSD package that has NEVER failed or caused any trouble at all since the day I installed it.

All I've done since is change plugs. Actually, I really only have to clean the plugs but I change them for once every year or two for no good reason.

Here's what I have and swear by:

MSD #8577 Magnetic Pick-up Distributor
MSD #8203 Blaster Coil
MSD #8920 Ford Tach Adapter
MSD #3119 8MM Silicone Spark Plug Wire Set
MSD #8581 Bronze Distributor Gear
MSD #6420 6AL Ignition Box with Rev Limiter
MSD #8746 RPM Module Kit 6000 - 6800

What would I use?

6018 is used merely for transportation, I plan to tour every corner & back road of the US & Canada with 6018, reliability is most important to me.

I strongly dislike Ford distributors, they are junk. The Moroso distributor is the best made distributor I've ever seen, but it doesn't have vacuum advance. I'll most likely end up with the MSD model 8477 street distributor (includes vacuum advance) running a Ford Duraspark I ingnition module. I will eventually experiment with the MSD distributor, unplug the vacuum advance and see how badly it affects my fuel economy. If the fuel economy doesn't change that much I'll probably pull the MSD and install the Moroso. The Moroso dizzy is bad ass, trust me.

As far as coils go, I have no problem with old school coils-in-a-can. Anything that will work without failing is OK. The most important thing with coils is to realize their performance at high rpm degrades with use, so its wise to replace the coil every couple of years if its used with a high rpm motor.

Steve, the Computronix DIS8 ignition is not available for the 351C or the 351W, the two most popular Pantera engine options. So far they only offer an ignition for the 289/302 Windsor.

The DIS8 still employs 8 ignition wires, it just doesn't have a distributor cap & rotor that require replacement. You'll be best off mounting the coil packs on the valve covers in order to keep the ignition wires as short as possible.

I don't know anything about Computronix as a company, I don't know if they are honest, or if their products are made well. But I think a distributorless igntion such as they offer would make a great option for Pantera owners. So I wrote Computronix the other night and dangled a carrot in front of them. We'll have to wait and see how they respond.

David ..thanks I think those part #'s will help.

Pantera Steve .. very nice .. lotsa bling and ultra mod system .. but I was inquiring more on hard core side as you can see there is a distinct different between the 2 systems.

The Moroso is dual pickups .. either for 2 different style of driving or racing in case of a failure.

Thanks to all.
Ron

Ron,

You don't have to use both triggers just because the Moroso distributor has 2 of them. One can be a spare, just in case. Know what I mean.

-G

George,

Comprende .. I have not yet been able to inspect it as it has not arrived ... the question in my mind is it states " alternate timing setup" how would this be achieved ? are they in different postitions ? or adjustable?

Ron

Thanks George

re:

Steve, the Computronix DIS8 ignition is not available for the 351C or the 351W, the two most popular Pantera engine options. So far they only offer an ignition for the 289/302 Windsor.

The DIS8 still employs 8 ignition wires, it just doesn't have a distributor cap & rotor that require replacement. You'll be best off mounting the coil packs on the valve covers in order to keep the ignition wires as short as possible.

I don't know anything about Computronix as a company, I don't know if they are honest, or if their products are made well. But I think a distributorless igntion such as they offer would make a great option for Pantera owners. So I wrote Computronix the other night and dangled a carrot in front of them. We'll have to wait and see how they respond.

............................................

The system that I just bought yesterday from them states it is for a 351C.

As far as mounting the coil packs on the valve covers, I am concerned about excessive heat from the headers (180 and near the valve covers) so I figured on mounting them on the firewall (cool) and running the ignition wires from underneath (not a lot of difference in length from where I had to mount them to keep them away from the headers now). I have an MSD system now with a 7AL 2 box, and 10mm wires that is very hard to access as there is no clearance near the Webers or the rear glass. This system should clean everything up.


Steve

quote:

Originally posted by David B:
Here's what I have and swear by:

MSD #8577 Magnetic Pick-up Distributor
MSD #8203 Blaster Coil
MSD #8920 Ford Tach Adapter
MSD #3119 8MM Silicone Spark Plug Wire Set
MSD #8581 Bronze Distributor Gear
MSD #6420 6AL Ignition Box with Rev Limiter
MSD #8746 RPM Module Kit 6000 - 6800

Thanks, David. I run the exact same ignition system with the exception of your distributor, which is the part I am looking to replace. From what I can see, the only difference between the 8477 that Cowboy suggests and the 8577 that you have ... is the vacuum advance.

Well, and the price tag ... The 8577 is USD$ 281.40. The 8477 is USD$ 348.60.

quote:

Originally posted by panterasteve:
As far as mounting the coil packs on the valve covers, I am concerned about excessive heat from the headers (180 and near the valve covers) so I figured on mounting them on the firewall (cool) and running the ignition wires from underneath (not a lot of difference in length from where I had to mount them to keep them away from the headers now). I have an MSD system now with a 7AL 2 box, and 10mm wires that is very hard to access as there is no clearance near the Webers or the rear glass. This system should clean everything up.

Steve, two questions ...

1) do you have any pix of your mounting setup?

2) where in Canada are you located?

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Originally posted by accobra:
... the question in my mind is it states " alternate timing setup" how would this be achieved ? are they in different postitions ? or adjustable?

Ron

Adjustable

quote:

Originally posted by panterasteve:

The system that I just bought yesterday from them states it is for a 351C.

Their web site does not indicate a 351C distributor is available. Either they mistakenly believe the 302 dizzy will fit, or they have a new model not yet advertised on their web site.

I feel like I was set-up.

To avoid hijacking Ron's thread any further, if you wish to delve more into the Computronix system, or Steve's current ignition, please start a new thread. Thanks

Thanks for the pic George ...thats a nice setup .. so from what I can see by eye the rotor appears to line up with both pickups the same ?

The cost of this distributor is 893.00 ...there has to be some substance to this set up.

Is there any place to get a Durspark RED box ?
Ron

Ron,
just an alternative; Crane Cams has a Distributer I will be running, I like the features and the availibility of the small caps, I found this on a write up of Joe Sherman's Engine Building in the Engine Masters Challenge.
http://www.cranecams.com/?show...partNumber=1000-1605
http://search.yahoo.com/search...e=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8
http://search.yahoo.com/search...earch&fr=yfp-t-501-s

Mark

Last night, I asked an expert on this topic and his response was ...

Is there no crank fire/trigger ignition system for the Pantera?

I showed him the DIS8 and he thought that was a good start; however, it appears that it does not allow you to change the advance curve.

His last comment was that distributor systems are, like, 1920's technology vs. a crank fire system which uses a modern computer control. I'm just the messenger here as this stuff is way over my head. I am, however, interested in any feedback ...

Nelson Crozier is the builder with Moroso .. www.nelsonspecialties.com ... this is a race proven joint venture of 2 very well respected companies.

Ron

I wrote these guys to find out if this unit will do a cam sync/dual sync.....unfortunately not.

The same as Eric suggests if you are going to fire from coil packs why not do that via a crank wheel trigger? Much cheaper and potentially more accurate (not relying on dizzie to cam to crank for position).

If you have EFI then most modern ECU systems are capable of ignition and fuel programming. If you have just an ignition box again modern systems like DXI allow you to program an advance curve. Most of this stuff isn't that much more expensive than you'd pay for a good MSD dizzie and 6AL box and the MSD boxes usually last a good week.

Julian

quote:

Originally posted by accobra:
Thanks for the pic George ...thats a nice setup .. so from what I can see by eye the rotor appears to line up with both pickups the same

The triggers in my Moroso dizzy are set-up to trigger at the same time. I've never loosened the nuts, but I imagine there is some adjustment in the positioning of trigger coils. Notice the mounting bars for the coils have a V-notch in them, I assume this is to help adjust them, therefore I assume their positions aren't fixed.

quote:

Originally posted by accobra:
Is there any place to get a Durspark RED box ?

Your local Ford parts counter. Tell them you have a 1977 Granada with a 302 V8, California car, with the red strain relief.

quote:

MSD boxes usually last a good week.

But not the DURASPARK .. it last usually a life time. I have one in 9138 and its a very reliable ignition ...I also raced my BB Comet in SS for years and never had an issue with the DURASPARK.

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Notice the mounting bars for the coils have a V-notch in them, I assume this is to help adjust them, therefore I assume their positions aren't fixed.

I'm going to ahve to check my FMS Tach Drive Distributors to see if they have the same noches .. I know those are not adjustable .. but this is good info.

77 Granada 302 .. hmmmm .. my Mom had one of those cars .. actually it was a Monarch.

Thanks again.