Thinking about getting new Shocks? Anyone running RideTech shocks from SACC. Like to hear Pros/Cons (if any) What spring rates did you go with? My 73 is used for street only.
Thanks
Curt
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quote:Originally posted by Cuvee:
Thinking about getting new Shocks? Anyone running RideTech shocks from SACC. Like to hear Pros/Cons (if any) What spring rates did you go with? My 73 is used for street only.
Thanks
Curt
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You won't find side by side comparisons since almost every vendor has it's own combination of shocks and springs.
No one puts new shocks on then goes and drives the car for 35,000 miles.
Scott is knowledgeable, helpfull and cooperative but at the end of the day he is just a reseller selling his own combination of aftermarket components.
"you pay your money, and you take your chances".
I do know that the Aldens (which Hall sells) have quite a reputation for developing hydraulic leaks within a year or two just from aging, not necessarily wear and tear.
Detomaso went with one manufacturer simply because they had a mileage target on them. Probably something like 35,000 miles or so.
You usually won't get anything near that on aftermarket including Koni.
Konis thing is that they are technically rebuildable. The only thing with them though is that you can buy new ones cheaper than rebuild the old ones.
Figure about 15 to 20 thousand miles...maybe, on those, then trash them. Typically you will find a couple of sets of those for sale on Ebay a year, used. That's why they are for sale. They need a rebuild and they are not cost effective to do.
The temper on the steel of aftermarket springs is only marginally good. They are price sensitive and the manufacturers don't need to guaranty mileage on them. Anyone's guess is as good as anyone elses on those.
So bottom line, you can't beat the mileage of the original shocks. You can beat the performance easily but at a huge cost in mileage.
Lady or the Tiger. Which will it be? Tough choices all around.
No one puts new shocks on then goes and drives the car for 35,000 miles.
Scott is knowledgeable, helpfull and cooperative but at the end of the day he is just a reseller selling his own combination of aftermarket components.
"you pay your money, and you take your chances".
I do know that the Aldens (which Hall sells) have quite a reputation for developing hydraulic leaks within a year or two just from aging, not necessarily wear and tear.
Detomaso went with one manufacturer simply because they had a mileage target on them. Probably something like 35,000 miles or so.
You usually won't get anything near that on aftermarket including Koni.
Konis thing is that they are technically rebuildable. The only thing with them though is that you can buy new ones cheaper than rebuild the old ones.
Figure about 15 to 20 thousand miles...maybe, on those, then trash them. Typically you will find a couple of sets of those for sale on Ebay a year, used. That's why they are for sale. They need a rebuild and they are not cost effective to do.
The temper on the steel of aftermarket springs is only marginally good. They are price sensitive and the manufacturers don't need to guaranty mileage on them. Anyone's guess is as good as anyone elses on those.
So bottom line, you can't beat the mileage of the original shocks. You can beat the performance easily but at a huge cost in mileage.
Lady or the Tiger. Which will it be? Tough choices all around.
In addition to what Doug said, there is the sub-group of gas-pressurized vs non-pressure shocks. Long hard use causes heating, viscosity & damping changes and more bubbles. Gas pressure inside tends to keep bubbles from forming in the shock oil as it passes thru the damper valves. Bubbles change the damping and thus the handling. Finally, in order to hold gas pressure, much better seals must be used which tends to extend operating life. So gas is good if you drive the car much, or as it was intended.
There are several levels of gas pressure used by various mfgrs: late Konis use 350 psi while far-east-types tend to use lower (sometimes, much lower!) pressures. The high pressure in late Konis applies about 45 lbs of spring force all by itself, so when you buy springs, add the gas pressure effect in. Most gas shocks can be mounted upside down which not only removes a small amount of unsprung weight for better handling, it sometimes puts the height adjuster ring and damper adjust valve(s) in a more easily serviced position.
The downside? gas shocks cost more and some need adapters to fit Pantera shock bolts & mounts, since most mfgrs do not make a specific shock for the Pantera.
There are several levels of gas pressure used by various mfgrs: late Konis use 350 psi while far-east-types tend to use lower (sometimes, much lower!) pressures. The high pressure in late Konis applies about 45 lbs of spring force all by itself, so when you buy springs, add the gas pressure effect in. Most gas shocks can be mounted upside down which not only removes a small amount of unsprung weight for better handling, it sometimes puts the height adjuster ring and damper adjust valve(s) in a more easily serviced position.
The downside? gas shocks cost more and some need adapters to fit Pantera shock bolts & mounts, since most mfgrs do not make a specific shock for the Pantera.
Our shocks come with a 1,000,000 mile warranty. They are NOT shocks built and sold decades ago but are rather a new coilover built in the USA with modern technologies with modern innovations.
Impact forged aluminium shocks with high quality hyperco springs. Built via a cooperation between RideTech and Fox Racing who has been very big in the offroad shock market.
I can provide much more info on these shocks for anyone that is interested. Many folks on this board have these shocks including some POCA board members. Hopefully someone will speak up soon for some first hand opinions. I have been running them for years but my opinion doesn't count.
Our shocks come ready to bolt onto a Pantera. No adaptors needed. They come pre-assembled and ready to bolt on! All are ride height adjustable and come in 4 flavors. Non-adjustable, Single Adjustable, Triple Adjustable and Electronically Adjustable via a push of a button.
Scott
Impact forged aluminium shocks with high quality hyperco springs. Built via a cooperation between RideTech and Fox Racing who has been very big in the offroad shock market.
I can provide much more info on these shocks for anyone that is interested. Many folks on this board have these shocks including some POCA board members. Hopefully someone will speak up soon for some first hand opinions. I have been running them for years but my opinion doesn't count.
Our shocks come ready to bolt onto a Pantera. No adaptors needed. They come pre-assembled and ready to bolt on! All are ride height adjustable and come in 4 flavors. Non-adjustable, Single Adjustable, Triple Adjustable and Electronically Adjustable via a push of a button.
Scott
quote:Originally posted by ZR1 Pantera:
Our shocks come with a 1,000,000 mile warranty. They are NOT shocks built and sold decades ago but are rather a new coilover built in the USA with modern technologies with modern innovations.
Impact forged aluminium shocks with high quality hyperco springs. Built via a cooperation between RideTech and Fox Racing who has been very big in the offroad shock market.
I can provide much more info on these shocks for anyone that is interested. Many folks on this board have these shocks including some POCA board members. Hopefully someone will speak up soon for some first hand opinions. I have been running them for years but my opinion doesn't count.
Our shocks come ready to bolt onto a Pantera. No adaptors needed. They come pre-assembled and ready to bolt on! All are ride height adjustable and come in 4 flavors. Non-adjustable, Single Adjustable, Triple Adjustable and Electronically Adjustable via a push of a button.
Scott
I have a question on the electronic shocks. How are the rates determined?
I presume there is a "street" setting and a "track" setting?
If the street setting is too soft and if the track setting is knocking the fillings out of my teeth and I'm afraid it will crack the windshield glass, am I stuck with those settings?
What are the numbers on those settings in regards to the manual set up and in regards to something I can compare them too like the original Detomaso shocks and springs?
What does the million mile warranty say? Is it a straight exchange for a new shock to the manufacturer or do I have to go through a licensed retail dealer?
At my rate I would arrive at that mileage in two or three hundred years. Presuming you are no longer around, who would handle that claim?
Inquiring minds need to know?
quote:I have a question on the electronic shocks. How are the rates determined?
When I first decided to sell this product I worked with Ridetech to develop what I thought was correct for comfortable street use and stiff track use. The first iteration they sent me was way too light on the soft setting and not nearly stiff enough on the hard setting. I ended up using the first hard setting as the new soft setting, and then valved the hard setting to be WAY firmer. I am very happy with the current valving. But you are right, what I like may not be what you like.
quote:I presume there is a "street" setting and a "track" setting?
Yes, the street/soft setting is with no power applied to the shocks. The track/hard setting is achieved when power is applied.
quote:If the street setting is too soft and if the track setting is knocking the fillings out of my teeth and I'm afraid it will crack the windshield glass, am I stuck with those settings?
No, we could have them re-valved. In fact, that was exactly what I did to get them to where they are today.
quote:What are the numbers on those settings in regards to the manual set up and in regards to something I can compare them too like the original Detomaso shocks and springs?
Some of this is subjective so I don't know that I can answer that question. The best answer is to talk to folks that have them. Unfortunately, nobody has responded yet but there are forum members that have them. Some with stock Pantera's and some that race their cars. Some only post occasionally...
quote:What does the million mile warranty say? Is it a straight exchange for a new shock to the manufacturer or do I have to go through a licensed retail dealer?
At my rate I would arrive at that mileage in two or three hundred years. Presuming you are no longer around, who would handle that claim?
Inquiring minds need to know?
Since none of use will hit a million miles, you can consider it a lifetime warranty! The warranty states that you must register the purchase within 30 days of purchase to qualify. Once registered, RideTech will repair that shock free of charge. Warranty is transferable if you sell your car. If you ever reach the one million mile mark, you get a picture of you and your car in a full page ad in Hotrod Magazine! So you need to buy a set and start driving!
I have one set I bought from Scott: not fitted yet...
But I can say 2 things :
- high quality
- Great sir to deal with
Philippe
But I can say 2 things :
- high quality
- Great sir to deal with
Philippe
Left red button is earmarked for the shocks. Right is push button start.
I would think that since you set the settings on your car these would have to be right on?
As soon as I can get rid of these alligators snapping at my feet, I'll give you a call. I have to keep feeding them "your money"!
Hungry suckers too.
I would think that since you set the settings on your car these would have to be right on?
As soon as I can get rid of these alligators snapping at my feet, I'll give you a call. I have to keep feeding them "your money"!
Hungry suckers too.
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I've been using Scotts single adjustable shocks since he first introduced them. 80% of my driving is during track days, SSCC & SORC. I couldn't be happier.
Mark
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quote:Originally posted by ehpantera:
I've been using Scotts single adjustable shocks since he first introduced them. 80% of my driving is during track days, SSCC & SORC. I couldn't be happier.
Mark
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Yea I get it. I probably don't even need the electronic shocks with the street/strip settings, but what will I do with the other button?
Plus just about every current performance manufacturer has them. Who do they think they are...somebody?
Oh, forgot to ask. Scott. Pardon me. Do these shocks need a compressor and anything else like a solenoid? I'm running out of space in this car to put stuff.
Thanks for all the replies. Any street spring rate comments?
I'll be calling Scott later this week, I'm sure he'll be able to help me.
Thanks again
I'll be calling Scott later this week, I'm sure he'll be able to help me.
Thanks again
quote:Any street spring rate comments?
We track every spring rate we sell for trends. I can say by far, 300/450 is the combination that most street driven Pantera's pick. Folks that track their cars tend to go a bit stiffer.
Scott
quote:Do these shocks need a compressor and anything else like a solenoid? I'm running out of space in this car to put stuff.
What would a compressor be used for???
The electronic shocks have a junction box (very small) where all the wire harnesses from the 4 shocks converge. That box has the button connection and a connection for power. Thats it!
If you are interested in a used set to save some money, I may be selling the set off my car sometime in the near future to make room for the Air Suspension I am installing.
Scott
quote:Originally posted by ZR1 Pantera:quote:Do these shocks need a compressor and anything else like a solenoid? I'm running out of space in this car to put stuff.
What would a compressor be used for???
The electronic shocks have a junction box (very small) where all the wire harnesses from the 4 shocks converge. That box has the button connection and a connection for power. Thats it!
If you are interested in a used set to save some money, I may be selling the set off my car sometime in the near future to make room for the Air Suspension I am installing.
Scott
An air compressor is used with some types of shocks. Fully electronic shocks are better. No bladders internally to rupture.
You can always PM me about your shocks. The worst that can happen is that I am undecided on which way to go at that moment.
Nothing ventured, nothing gained though.
Who knows what my timing might be at that moment? I won't know until that happens.
I've been very happy with Scott's non-adjustable shocks. I bought them 3 years and 16,000 miles ago.
My (street) spring rates are 250 / 450. The ride is comfortable and the car behaves well.
John
My (street) spring rates are 250 / 450. The ride is comfortable and the car behaves well.
John