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This is so not funny, it isn’t even funny. So if you’re expecting some humour, stop reading now.

It’s freakin’ December. And yes, I’m still driving the cat. I have a two-page list of things to do over the winter and I can’t wait to get started. But before it snows, I’m doing everything I can to eliminate any questions. Because once it snows, any answers will have to wait another 3 or 4 months.

Like before I change my fuel sender, maybe I should make sure it’s really not working? Some years ago I found the gauge read 1/2 full when it was empty. So I’ve been filling it every time it got near 1/2 full. Yet, all I could get in it was 40 liters. Like maybe I should actually run the car until it’s empty? So, I’ve been driving with a can of fuel in my front trunk waiting to run dry. That way I wouldn’t smell up the garage when it was time to open it up and change the sender. Or if it really was working, I’d finally find out and save the effort. Either way, I needed to run it dry. So I’ve been driving and driving …and driving. And waiting to run dry. Well, it seems like the fuel gauge is actually working perfectly (probably because I changed all the gauges a few years ago but forgot to reset my brain).

Anyhow, with the needle now almost at empty and the snow expected a few days away, I’ve been waiting for a dry day to take her out one last time and fill up the tank, a) to measure how empty it was and b) so it wouldn’t rust while it sits in the garage over the winter.

Another thing that has been driving me nuts is a ticking noise that I have not been able to locate. Up on stands everything turns perfectly, no touching, nothing loose, no ticking. But on the road I hear this sound bouncing back from any wall beside me. Tick tick tick - once per rotation. So after exhausting every other possible culprit, some of my Pantera buddies suggested I remove the screw on caps and cones from my Hall Ultra wheels. And this was another thing I needed to confirm today before getting the car up on stands for the winter.

Well today was the day I was waiting for. And my last drive. No kidding.

So I took of the caps and cones from my wheels, started her up – it’s so awesome how 2 short taps on the throttle and one half turn on the key brings the Cleveland Symphony Orchestra to life – so effortlessly.

We backed out of the driveway and headed to the local PetroCan station for some nice 94. Along the way I passed by all the tunnels and concrete walls I could snuggle up against – and lo and behold, no more ticking. So it was the cones against the wheels ticking as they contracted and expanded. Yeah, so the wheels or caps or cones are not perfectly flat. A small rubber edging trim around the cones should resolve that.

We cruised into the gas station where she took in 60 litres of 94. Which means, even at empty there was still 10 litres or more left. Now I’ll never break a sweat when alone in the mountains watching my needle dropping as fast as my speedo rises.

With 2 issues now out of the way I made for home, anxious to get her up on jacks. I’m thinking about tearing off wheels, bumpers, muffles, grilles, fans, rad and so on… when all of sudden I see a police crew out in the middle of the freakin’ service road with a freakin’ tripod mounted lazer.

And guess who they’re lookin’ at?

I look left hoping to make it onto the expressway and disappear – too late, passed the entrance. Can I turn right – too late, no streets between me and them. F&%K! I’m so done. I’m so freakin’ tired of this! I can’t even think about arguing and going thru my “gee officer, I just changed the ignition and had this little glitch and…”

Three cops get real busy shooing every other freaking car on the road out of the way so they can all attack me! They move some cones over and make a nice little parking spot for me. C&%K#*$Kers!

I pull into my “impound area” as they surround me and start the BS. I half-heartedly try to talk my way out of it – but I’m F&#Ked and I know it.

One mile from home. On the last ride of the season. And I have to get into this again.

They start with the “excessive speed” BS and hand me some paper about a new law, 3 months old, 6 points, $500 and with 10 year non-removeable record (like if I get another “excessive speed” ticket within 10 years then the car gets impounded and they shoot me).

Then they tell me they are calling a tow truck to get the car because I no longer have a license.

Okay. This isn’t even funny. This is a freakin’ nightmare. I have stuff to do. I have to get the car home and get changed and get to a meeting and now he’s telling me some wanker in a piece of sh#t flatbed it coming to tow my car away to some filthy impound? Blah blah, freakin’ blah. He goes on – ever so politely. I’m getting a little bit pissed at this point.

Anyhow, after some moaning and groaning and standing around in the cold as 1000 cars pass by watching the brutal scene unfold, the P&%?K tells me if I can get someone here in 10 minutes to drive me and the cat home, he’ll forget the tow truck.

So I call my wife to tell her what was happening. And get yelled at for being such an idiot (which of course I really needed to hear right then and there). Then I found one of my sons to come rescue me and the cat. Then as I waited for him to get there, every couple of minute the A$$&#@LE would come over and point at his watch.

I took a bunch of pictures of the location and situation – of their lazer camera (rented from some local freakin’ video store!) of the police car, their ID …and then it hit me. One of the cops was the complete J$%#Koff that gave me a ticket last year for being parked too far from the curb in front of my driveway while I was chopping ice in the freakin’ driveway. It was that P$&#K who wanted to give me another ticket at the time, for no wipers which he discovered looking for somewhere to put the first freakin’ ticket! Mother$%*ker.

Ok. So I’m home now. This miserable day is almost over. I need a drink badly. My wife drove me to my meeting. I’m not happy. I called my ‘speeding ticket lawyer’ who answers the phone “…you again?” Funny. Not.

Anyhow, as it turns out, it’s not so bad. My license is suspended – but just for a week. It will take more than a week to fight to get it back. So F&%K it. The lawyer says he can negotiate a few kilometers off the recorded speed which will remove me from the “excessive speed” zone, save me 3 points and about $300 (and probably only cost me about $800 in legal fees).

I’m done with driving. I’m done with cities. I’m done with cops. I’m so done with all of this. So if you see a white GT5 for sale or trade for a Smart car and $50, be happy that I won’t have to go thru this F*&Ken BS anymore.

And be happy that you won’t have to read this drivel from me again. This story is getting old.

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I'm with you, David. I bet they have hundreds of unsolved murders and rapes on the books, but doing actual police work doesn't make any money, does it?

A least in the third world the cops have the honesty to just outright rob you at gunpoint instead of hiding behind self-righteous and spurious safety-Nazi bullsh*t.
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Geez David, I thought I had the some bad luck with cops. But clearly I have much to learn from you, sensei. Wink

But seriously, cops are out of control these days. Stupid rules (yes like the no-front-plate) and no sense of community. Not like the old days. My first ticket I was doing 99 in a 60 when I was in school in my 1st car ('78 chevy malibu 4 door) but the cop knocked it down to a minor for me.

Contrast that to my last car accident, when a cop in an unmarked car drove the wrong way down a one way street and ran a red light in a snowstorm and hit me. It took months to sort out the insurance, of course, because they gave me the runaround. When I asked the cop at the scene "this is a one-way street - what were you thinking???" he replied he hasn't been driving in months because of a knee injury so he didn't know what to do. Think about that the next time you see a cop breaking the speed limit and weaving in and out of traffic to get to the donut shop quicker.

Bottom line they are glorified tax collectors. Trust is earned and cops where I live haven't earned a dime.
Sorry to hear! However as a consolation, your car sure looks good sitting there. Panteras are true "Bad Boy" cars that attract attention via noise and appearance which we all have to live with like it or not, and you sitting there all boxed in by the local gumshoe helps enforce that image even more to all passerby. I agree it is unfortunate though, just wrong place, wrong time, wrong situation. With our cars how can anyone resist the gas pedal! You are a true Bad Boy, enjoy it as a complement.

I would say go to court to challenge it and maybe by chance the officers may not show up, however in your case, I would bet they wouldn't sleep the night before in anticipation of the court appearance.

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Andy is right about earned trust. The next time I get pulled over for some stupid minor infraction (all it's ever been in the last 20 years) when I get the "do you have any questions", I'm going to say: "Yes. How to you personally feel about the transition in role of police officers from a respected protector of society to being a loathed tax collector?" That will not Make my day much better, I'm sure, but enough is enough.

I know the road David was on well and there are no risks to life doing 90 kph, and rarely anyone travelling even close to 50 kph on it.

Defenders of the police will say they're just guys doing a job but when they have the option to reduce the speed observed by LESS THAN 1 MPH to save someone a huge cost then they are no longer guys I can respect. Sure David drives fast but not in traffic or bad conditions. These guys were just being dickheads like the ones that gave me and Andy $90 tickets for no plates.

Surely there are better uses for years of expensive police training than issuing tax bills.

Now that that is all done, I think David should seriously consider a repaint to brown or grey or something because I have the feeling there are photos of his car inside every Cruiser in his area.

Mark
David,
Sorry to hear about them getting you again, you've had some lucky breaks, but I guess fate wasn't smiling on you yesterday.

I'd suggest making some cop friends real fast and asking them how to beat these tickets!

The fact that they got you for exactly '1Km' into the 'excessive speed' category seems fishy. Considering how low your car is, what are the chances that they were actually getting a reading off a big SUV barreling up behind you?
Sorry to hear about this incident, David. Don't let it get you down.

I went through something similar several years ago. I got off because one of the troopers said he aimed the laser gun at my rear bumper for his reading. When I asked him if my bumper was black or chrome, he said chrome. When I showed pictures of my car at the scene with NO rear bumper, the case was dismissed.

Friends I have in law enforcement say the main reason everyone is required to have a front license plate is so they have a flat, reflective surface to aim their laser guns at. Nice, huh?

Seeing that you have no front plate, geometry may work in your favor in this case. Where exactly did they aim the gun to get their reading? Remember the Stealth Fighter? It was designed with all of those angular surfaces (much like the front of our Panteras) to reflect waves and beams away from it. With you traveling uphill and the gun pointing down, these angles may have been increased as well. In the immortal words of Goliath the dog, "I don't know, Davey." Just a thought.

Michael
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This crappy traffic law regime has gone on long enough; when will it ever end?

"Speed kills." No it doesn't, it's the sudden stop at the end, otherwise every ambulance driver would be dead.

"Slower traffic keep right." Yeah, right. Traffic in the slow lane drives at the upper bound set by the speed limit, meaning any legal-speed traffic in the left lane simply drives alongside, blocking traffic. Any maneuver to get through the blockage is "dangerous driving". Result? Frustrated drivers, collisions. Solution? Remove the speed limit, and make it illegal to block faster vehicles.

I feel your pain. I remember once jumping out of my '66 Mustang after getting a ticket in Edmonton, throwing the keys on the ground, storming off, and jumping into the North Saskatchewan river. (Fortunately, my girlfriend was there to pick up the keys and take the Mustang home.)

The pain subsides. I did have more good times in that Mustang before I finally sold it.

Hmm, that reminds me, getting rid of that '66 Mustang with its close-ratio fourspeed was a mistake. Oh well, I ended up with a Pantera two cars later.
So I got my license back today. It's good to be back in the saddle.

Getting driven around by my wife and daughters, experiencing first hand how the rest of the world drives - slowly, safely, just following along aimlessly behind whatever traffic appears, just like sheep, doing whatever the jerkoff in front of you is doing, all this while listening to commercial radio and singing along with Lady GaGa.

Dudes, I would have killed myself in another day or two. But there was an epiphany. And so now I know why I like to drive. It's not about going fast or passing or negotiating traffic, or multi-tasking, or winning - it's all about freedom. Go where you want, when you want, how you want and as you want.

Freedom, baby.
Seems like this is a trend. The police are passing out more citations to make up for lack of government revenue. It's the new "tax". It was happening in Hawaii when I left and here in Vegas the police are on a mission to give out citations. Coming home yesterday there were 7 solo bike officers shooting laser within a 1/2 mile stretch in both directions. About a mile futher there was another 3! This is on one stretch of road! They are constantly on the freeways and surface streets daily! Sorry to hear your situation, I think we all have to drive slower until this economy improves.
David B,

Are radar detectors illegal in Canada? I am not trying to derail this thread, but if they are illegal, which I think they may be, do the local gestapo go searching for them in an aggressive way? Do you think a Valentine One may have given you a heads up of the speed trap?

The reason I ask about a Valentine One is I am moving forward with installing one in a round 2 inch gauge -- and I will be installing it in the dash with the rest of the gauges. I can get a photo of this thing to you later if you and others would like to see it -- I've got the photos at work.

Of course, the cops would still be able to detect it when the Valentine One was active.

Cheers,

Mark
Hi Larry,

I am by no means an expert on the subject, I thought I read somewhere, maybe on Valentine One's website -- I cannot remember, that the radar detectors themselves emit a certain wavelength that some police departments have a detector to detect the radar detectors. I cannot remember the source, but I know I read it someplace -- it might be B.S., I cannot remember. Someone with more knowledge on this would be helpful.

I will start a new post when I find the photos of the radar detector gauge that I am scheming about.....

Mark
Mark,
I am interested in your installation. Yes they are illegal in Ontario and Quebec but not in Alberta and, I think, B.C.

From my knowledge of RF and how detectors work (and my brief conversation with Valentine at a tradeshow, interesting guy!) the cops can not tell if you have on by any radio emissions. Only if they search your car or see it. I am planning on getting one. Worst case scenario, they confiscate it. If it saves one ticket before that happens, it has paid for itself.
I've tried them all. I was stopped several times and the routine goes something like this.

"Sir, radar detectors are illegal here and we all have detector detectors. We know you have one. So hand it over or we will tow your car to our shop and tear it apart until we find it. And BTW, it's a $2,000 fine."

That's what I got on the 410 in Ontario as well as in Quebec.

I have an app on my iPhone which warns me of locations where cops have "previously" been noted. All users just hit a button when they see one. Not a bad idea for in town. But it's constantly warning you that "...police often hide here!" which gets a little tiresome on a long ride. Given all the places you have to slow down, you may as well just drive slow. Yawn.
When I used to drive in Ontario and Quebec, whenever I was pulled over I simply stuffed the radar detector in my pocket. The cops had the authority to search your car, but not your person.

As I understand it, the cheap radar detectors leak radiation all over the place, and that is why the cops have detector detectors. Good ones, like the Valentine, emit much less.

Mercifully, I now live in a Province where they are legal and so I don't have to worry about it. However, the fact is that my Valentine's only function when it comes to instant-on or Lidar is to announce that I am about to receive another ticket.
That doesn't make any sense. In fact, if a radar detector did emit signals, either in band or a harmonic of that band or of an intermediate frequency, it would be illegal under FCC law. The frequencies are in the microwave range and you don't mess around up there. FCC would bust your ass so fast if you sold anything like that. I think the cops are full of crap. They just see cars slow down and assume they have a detector.
After some research I stand corrected. Some detector detectors can sense oscillators from leaky radar detectors. But these things must be going off constantly for city cops, at the levels they are looking for it is just too sensitive. Also it seems some quality radar detectors have sufficient shielding to prevent leaky signals. More research is needed.
No stone will be left unturned in this area. burn rubber
I have not tried this personally, not living in a place where its illegal to own things like radar detectors (we Nevada residents can legally own radar detectors, automatic weapons and there are even gun clubs dedicated to cannons!)
As I understand the problem, inside any radar detector is an oscillator that by its design 'leaks' a tiny signal whenever it's on. The better the detector, the better the oscillator shielding. With very sensitive equipment, its possible to broadcast a specific signal that sets the detector's oscillator to... oscillate, broadcasting a tiny signal, and then to detect these oscillator leakages. A Faraday cage is a simple device that will stop 100% of any possible 'leakage' from such devices. It is only a metal box, and can be made of aluminum, foil, tightly woven metal screen or other such materials, as long as all the sides are electrically connected. So if a detector is in such a box- grounded or not, with only the front end off the Faraday cage, there should be no emissions detectable from the thing, except from directly in front... and a swing-down cover would take care of that possibility. Except for reflections off the windshield or trim, there should be no problem in use. And of course, if the detector was in a box in your pocket, there would be even less possibility of detection. But as some formar owners have found, even if switched off, police detectors can 'activate' the oscillator in your unit and find it. But not in a Faraday cage!
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