Is anyone selling OEM or OEM spec front and rear ROTORS that work with the original Girling calipers? Also, any leads for Girling caliper rebuild kits appreciated. I already have a set of new pads. Thanks
usmcfred
'72 Pre-L #03041
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Fred,
All the vendors have rebuild kits for the stock front calipers. Do your homework because some vendors prices are significantly different than others.
A nice upgrade to the front rotors is using vented rotors from a Mustang. It can be pretty much bolt on.
Rocky
All the vendors have rebuild kits for the stock front calipers. Do your homework because some vendors prices are significantly different than others.
A nice upgrade to the front rotors is using vented rotors from a Mustang. It can be pretty much bolt on.
Rocky
Just remove backs from my 1974 verry good shape .
Also have back calipers that where rebuild coyple years ago. Sorry just sold fronts let me know how much you are willing to pay
Also have back calipers that where rebuild coyple years ago. Sorry just sold fronts let me know how much you are willing to pay
Thanks Rocky. I'll check out the vendors for kits.
Do you have the Mustang Rotor part #'s or at least the model and year? Thanks ...
usmcfred
'72 Pre-L #03041
Do you have the Mustang Rotor part #'s or at least the model and year? Thanks ...
usmcfred
'72 Pre-L #03041
Larry Stock at Pantera Parts Connection has direct replacement rotors. The rear rotor is the same 0.81 width but vented, these are a great upgrade and work with stock the calipers/wheels.
Julian
Julian
quote:Originally posted by Joules:
Larry Stock at Pantera Parts Connection has direct replacement rotors. The rear rotor is the same 0.81 width but vented, these are a great upgrade and work with stock the calipers/wheels.
Julian
You had better check with him on this.
The vented rear rotors are from a 65-67 Mustang front.
The rotor alone has been discontinued and is now only made with the hub all in one piece.
You can put them in a lathe and cut the hub out.
That takes them out of the $30 per rotor "parts store" category now though?
Rebuild kits can be found here.
http://hallpantera.com/cgi-bin...ntera-inc&item=45166
Doug,
Larry's rotors are not Mustang, I believe Toyota sourced with custom hats. I fitted a pair and rebuilt rear uprights just last week.
I never said they were in the $30 category.
Julian
Larry's rotors are not Mustang, I believe Toyota sourced with custom hats. I fitted a pair and rebuilt rear uprights just last week.
I never said they were in the $30 category.
Julian
quote:Originally posted by Joules:
Doug,
Larry's rotors are not Mustang, I believe Toyota sourced with custom hats. I fitted a pair and rebuilt rear uprights just last week.
I never said they were in the $30 category.
Julian
Got pics? Hats go over the flange or behind them?
I want to go to long race type studs but don't want to loose the monogramed lug nuts.
Anyone making the lug nuts and for that matter, the studs?
I haven't checked yet with ARP to see if I need to go metric of SAE?
Amyone know?
quote:A nice upgrade to the front rotors is using vented rotors from a Mustang. It can be pretty much bolt on.
Hi Fred -
My car had a set of front rotors installed from a kit from a guy named Ron Graves (back in 2002). Unfortunately, I don't have any part numbers with the installation instructions. Sorry.
According to some info from the "Pantera Information Spreadsheet" these work up front. But I can't tell if they are vented, nor have I tried them.
Rotor Info From Pantera Info Spreadsheet
quote:Originally posted by Rocky:quote:A nice upgrade to the front rotors is using vented rotors from a Mustang. It can be pretty much bolt on.
Hi Fred -
My car had a set of front rotors installed from a kit from a guy named Ron Graves (back in 2002). Unfortunately, I don't have any part numbers with the installation instructions. Sorry.
According to some info from the "Pantera Information Spreadsheet" these work up front. But I can't tell if they are vented, nor have I tried them.
Rotor Info From Pantera Info Spreadsheet
I believe that the Pantera uses the same inner and outer wheel bearings as the 65-67 Mustang?
They have the same dimensioned spindles.
That's why the entire assembly you show in this listing will work?
On the Mustang, there is a change over to a larger od wheel bearing half way through the 70 model year so the 68-70 small inner wheel bearing should work also?
The Mustang at that point goes to a larger od spindle and takes a different inside wheel bearing.
Same od. Larger id.
That was made necessary on the Mustang by going to an F60 tire then. It was making the original spindles fail. The upgraded spindle is quite beefy.
Most of the earlier "Trans-Am" raced Mustangs also got this modification along with using the 67 big Ford/Lincoln brake calipers and rotors which were vented. Those are 12"od by 1.25" thick and technically bolt up to the Pantera also.
I have seen three US race dedicated Panteras running that set up with the original front calipers moved to the rear.
I'm surprised that at least the Gp4 Panteras never had that issue of spindle failure too and required an upgraded, larger od spindle too?
Hey guys,
The SSBC rotors Rocky shows are indeed vented. However, it should be noted that those are a one piece design, so using the original hub is not an option. The implications of this are the wheel studs will be standard thread and the wheel pilot will be larger diameter. You could of course have the wheel pilot machined down at you local show which is capable of machining rotors.
The other option is to find the early stang rotor alone (w/o hub). I haven't purchased any of either yet, but was considering these Centric rotors, as they still make a loose one (w/o hub). ebay listing I haven't checked all the dimensions to confirm, but based on application, it supposed to work. The good news, the listing has all the relevant dimensions listed.
For 6001, I'm considering changing rotor w/ hub, as that would save me the hassle of making another set of wheel adapters for the late model wheels I'm using. Not crazy about having mixed metric and standard wheel studs on the same car though.... all food for thought...
The SSBC rotors Rocky shows are indeed vented. However, it should be noted that those are a one piece design, so using the original hub is not an option. The implications of this are the wheel studs will be standard thread and the wheel pilot will be larger diameter. You could of course have the wheel pilot machined down at you local show which is capable of machining rotors.
The other option is to find the early stang rotor alone (w/o hub). I haven't purchased any of either yet, but was considering these Centric rotors, as they still make a loose one (w/o hub). ebay listing I haven't checked all the dimensions to confirm, but based on application, it supposed to work. The good news, the listing has all the relevant dimensions listed.
For 6001, I'm considering changing rotor w/ hub, as that would save me the hassle of making another set of wheel adapters for the late model wheels I'm using. Not crazy about having mixed metric and standard wheel studs on the same car though.... all food for thought...
Rob -
You need to buy several sets of these, for a couple of reasons....
1. So that you can report back to the group that they work well with our existing Pantera Hubs and Studs....
2. So that you can tell us any issues you had with the installation.....
3. To keep this vendor in business, and producing these rotors so that after you complete Steps 1 & 2, the rest of us can all pile on and buy them.
I also like Doug's suggestion of Lincoln rotors & calipers, and the Girlings on the back.
TRIVIA (True or not?): I thought that the spindles on our Panteras were the same as Pinto spindles. The bigger Mustang spindles (Doug refers to them cutting in in mid '70) came after our cars were designed...
You need to buy several sets of these, for a couple of reasons....
1. So that you can report back to the group that they work well with our existing Pantera Hubs and Studs....
2. So that you can tell us any issues you had with the installation.....
3. To keep this vendor in business, and producing these rotors so that after you complete Steps 1 & 2, the rest of us can all pile on and buy them.
I also like Doug's suggestion of Lincoln rotors & calipers, and the Girlings on the back.
TRIVIA (True or not?): I thought that the spindles on our Panteras were the same as Pinto spindles. The bigger Mustang spindles (Doug refers to them cutting in in mid '70) came after our cars were designed...
quote:Originally posted by Rocky:
Rob -
You need to buy several sets of these, for a couple of reasons....
1. So that you can report back to the group that they work well with our existing Pantera Hubs and Studs....
2. So that you can tell us any issues you had with the installation.....
3. To keep this vendor in business, and producing these rotors so that after you complete Steps 1 & 2, the rest of us can all pile on and buy them.
I also like Doug's suggestion of Lincoln rotors & calipers, and the Girlings on the back.
TRIVIA (True or not?): I thought that the spindles on our Panteras were the same as Pinto spindles. The bigger Mustang spindles (Doug refers to them cutting in in mid '70) came after our cars were designed...
Are you going to get all pissy now about this and make me go out and take everything apart, measure and take pictures?
The replacement front dust shields are from a 67 Mustang with front disc brakes too?
I said they were the same sizes as the Mustang, i.e., cross over.
You can switch the spindle over to a cotter pin and castle nut too and get rid of those suicide locking nuts. Well they lock if they feel like it?
Probably depends on whether the local soccer team won or lost and who they were playing in that "match"?
The stock Pantera spindle is so soft, you can drill the hole for the cotter pin right on the car with your 18v Ryobi drill. No temper to the thing at all.
The Lincoln set up is definitely going to be cheaper than the Girling Gp3/Gp4 front calipers. They came off of a Bently or Rolls Royce and probably weigh 50 pound each. The Lincolns weigh about 12# each. No lightweight at all.
There was a company in California that BRIEFLY cast those calipers up in aluminum but they had problems with porosity in the castings and stopped doing them. Those would be the calipers to run if you could find them.
Rebuild kits and pads of various compounds are all over the place since it is a very popular caliper to use on the T/A Mustang set ups. It looks period correct vs. something like a Wilwood or the Gucci gaudy type Brembos.
Girlings are ridiculously expensive and hardly worth the effort.
On a street car you definitely DO NOT need the 1.25" thick front rotors of the Lincoln set up. They are really for reducing brake fade when red hot because the cool off faster.
Even the stock Pantera front pads are better for the street.
My Porterfield R4S pads suck cold and you have to get them warm before they work.
Where's Bosswrench? The Pantera outer wheel bearing is definitely the same as the small Mustang outer. The inner I don't remember. Did them 10 years ago or so.
quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
The Lincoln set up is definitely going to be cheaper than the Girling Gp3/Gp4 front calipers. They came off of a Bently or Rolls Royce and probably weigh 50 pound each. The Lincolns weigh about 12# each. No lightweight at all.
My Girlings do weigh 18,911 Lbs, that's for a set of two, and with brake pads...
quote:Originally posted by Kid:quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
The Lincoln set up is definitely going to be cheaper than the Girling Gp3/Gp4 front calipers. They came off of a Bently or Rolls Royce and probably weigh 50 pound each. The Lincolns weigh about 12# each. No lightweight at all.
My Girlings do weigh 18,911 Lbs, that's for a set of two, and with brake pads...
Kid. 18,911 pounds? Do you mean 18.911 pounds?
I am refering to the Gp4 Girling race calipers, not the stock Pantera street production units?
quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Kid. 18,911 pounds? Do you mean 18.911 pounds?
A lot of the rest of the World use a "decimal comma" where the US uses a decimal point and vice versa a thousand separator can be denoted by a point.
quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Kid. 18,911 pounds? Do you mean 18.911 pounds?
I am refering to the Gp4 Girling race calipers, not the stock Pantera street production units?
I was wrong (typing error..), they are 19.3 pounds, pads included. And I do talk about those nice little babies I mounted Doug, not the stock ones ;-)
quote:Originally posted by Kid:quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:
Kid. 18,911 pounds? Do you mean 18.911 pounds?
I am refering to the Gp4 Girling race calipers, not the stock Pantera street production units?
I was wrong (typing error..), they are 19.3 pounds, pads included. And I do talk about those nice little babies I mounted Doug, not the stock ones ;-)
Pictures. Where are the pictures?
Well if being "Gucci Gaudy" is wrong...I DON'T want to be right!!!...quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:quote:Originally posted by Rocky:
Rob -
You need to buy several sets of these, for a couple of reasons....
1. So that you can report back to the group that they work well with our existing Pantera Hubs and Studs....
2. So that you can tell us any issues you had with the installation.....
3. To keep this vendor in business, and producing these rotors so that after you complete Steps 1 & 2, the rest of us can all pile on and buy them.
I also like Doug's suggestion of Lincoln rotors & calipers, and the Girlings on the back.
TRIVIA (True or not?): I thought that the spindles on our Panteras were the same as Pinto spindles. The bigger Mustang spindles (Doug refers to them cutting in in mid '70) came after our cars were designed...
Are you going to get all pissy now about this and make me go out and take everything apart, measure and take pictures?
The replacement front dust shields are from a 67 Mustang with front disc brakes too?
I said they were the same sizes as the Mustang, i.e., cross over.
You can switch the spindle over to a cotter pin and castle nut too and get rid of those suicide locking nuts. Well they lock if they feel like it?
Probably depends on whether the local soccer team won or lost and who they were playing in that "match"?
The stock Pantera spindle is so soft, you can drill the hole for the cotter pin right on the car with your 18v Ryobi drill. No temper to the thing at all.
The Lincoln set up is definitely going to be cheaper than the Girling Gp3/Gp4 front calipers. They came off of a Bently or Rolls Royce and probably weigh 50 pound each. The Lincolns weigh about 12# each. No lightweight at all.
There was a company in California that BRIEFLY cast those calipers up in aluminum but they had problems with porosity in the castings and stopped doing them. Those would be the calipers to run if you could find them.
Rebuild kits and pads of various compounds are all over the place since it is a very popular caliper to use on the T/A Mustang set ups. It looks period correct vs. something like a Wilwood or the Gucci gaudy type Brembos.
Girlings are ridiculously expensive and hardly worth the effort.
On a street car you definitely DO NOT need the 1.25" thick front rotors of the Lincoln set up. They are really for reducing brake fade when red hot because the cool off faster.
Even the stock Pantera front pads are better for the street.
My Porterfield R4S pads suck cold and you have to get them warm before they work.
Where's Bosswrench? The Pantera outer wheel bearing is definitely the same as the small Mustang outer. The inner I don't remember. Did them 10 years ago or so.
Setting up my Pantera on all 4 corners with Porsche 996 Turbo calipers...
http://i1007.photobucket.com/a...0photos/IMG_1051.jpg
oooooh... speed... nice monoblocks. Yes, very Gucci indeed.
PM sent Rob.quote:Originally posted by Rob Borruso:
oooooh... speed... nice monoblocks. Yes, very Gucci indeed.
Pantera front wheel bearings are the same as Mangusta, Ford (various) including a '63 Ford 1/2 ton pickup, and early Porsche 911. Those are the ones I know interchange; our Pinto is long gone so I can't say on that one. Keep them well greased and adjusted and they'll last a lifetime. Ours are still the OEMs from 1972. Neglect them and you'll be looking at a 3-wheeler on the side of the road.