Mecum just sold 3342 at the Indiana auction for $125K plus fees, good price for a stock 72 with 10K miles on it!
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Another Sports Car bound to be hermetically sealed in a climate controlled environment, never to see the light of day, in essence regulated to being a "Static Piece of Art"...Mark
Did the 1972 DeTomaso Pantera come originally with a dual snorkel air cleaner?...Mark
WOW!!!...Look at picture number 9 & how much rim weight is needed on the driver's side front rim to balance it 
It's the DEVIL'S DeTomaso!!!...Look at the trip mileage...6606...Mark
It's the DEVIL'S DeTomaso!!!...Look at the trip mileage...6606...Mark
I don't see dual snorkels in any of these pics.
There were at least 3 different factory air cleaners used on the 71-74 Ford program Panteras:
It seems the first type was all plain blue, lid and bottom, and came on the cars that had the closed chamber heads, the square bore 4300A Motorcraft carb and single point ignition. These were the 1971 models with the 4V engines (up to car #2292?). The air intake snorkel was at about 8 o'clock pointing rearward on the left hand side. It looks like a standard Ford air cleaner with the positions of things moved around to suit a mid engined car.
The second type had a chrome plated lid and the bottom was blue. It was obviously a modified Mustang/Cougar part. The air inlet is at about 8 o'clock on the left hand side. The snorkel and heat stove are both in different locations from the Mustang 351CJ. The standard cut outs are blocked with riveted plates. These air cleaners came on the engines from 1972 that had the 4300D and the dual points and 4 bolt mains. Both pre-L and L types in 1972 appear to have had this type past car #4000.
The third type is the same as type 2, except the air inlet snorkel is different and everything is shuffled around to allow a big hose to slip on the snorkel and lead down to pick up cooler air near the ground at the firewall behind the passenger seat (1973-74).
I don't have any information about later cars or European models.
There were at least 3 different factory air cleaners used on the 71-74 Ford program Panteras:
It seems the first type was all plain blue, lid and bottom, and came on the cars that had the closed chamber heads, the square bore 4300A Motorcraft carb and single point ignition. These were the 1971 models with the 4V engines (up to car #2292?). The air intake snorkel was at about 8 o'clock pointing rearward on the left hand side. It looks like a standard Ford air cleaner with the positions of things moved around to suit a mid engined car.
The second type had a chrome plated lid and the bottom was blue. It was obviously a modified Mustang/Cougar part. The air inlet is at about 8 o'clock on the left hand side. The snorkel and heat stove are both in different locations from the Mustang 351CJ. The standard cut outs are blocked with riveted plates. These air cleaners came on the engines from 1972 that had the 4300D and the dual points and 4 bolt mains. Both pre-L and L types in 1972 appear to have had this type past car #4000.
The third type is the same as type 2, except the air inlet snorkel is different and everything is shuffled around to allow a big hose to slip on the snorkel and lead down to pick up cooler air near the ground at the firewall behind the passenger seat (1973-74).
I don't have any information about later cars or European models.
It's a very nice car but it isn't completely original and the engine compartment has been messed with.
Something which does get my attention - did it have a "windows all the way down" mod..? 
And the fuel tank cap is not original no..?
And the fuel tank cap is not original no..?
quote:Originally posted by Kid:
Something which does get my attention - did it have a "windows all the way down" mod..?
And the fuel tank cap is not original no..?
The side view appears to show the window all the way down, i.e., a modified car.
The gas cap looks like the "aftermarket" aluminum cap with the DT logo that many of the vendors sell.
It also has the aluminum Detomaso valve covers which were not stock on these cars.
10" Campis in the rear, non-stock.
Does any of this mean anything? Sure but what to who?
The car would appear stock to an unknowledgeable buyer. Certainly it wouldn't appear radically modified.
What did the buyer want? Just a nice Pantera? Maybe? It certainly is that.
At $125,000, that is a plus to all Panteras owners. As a buyer...bummer.
"A rising tide floats all boats". This sale helps all Pantera values.
I particularly like the original patina on the dash board material.
No front grill badge either. $125K sure makes one think about that For Sale sign (this after I did it once in recent times but fell in love with the car again).
This car & selling price is an "Anomaly" & is not reflective of 99.999368% of DeTomaso Panteras nor their reflective price.quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:quote:Originally posted by Kid:
Something which does get my attention - did it have a "windows all the way down" mod..?
And the fuel tank cap is not original no..?
The side view appears to show the window all the way down, i.e., a modified car.
The gas cap looks like the "aftermarket" aluminum cap with the DT logo that many of the vendors sell.
It also has the aluminum Detomaso valve covers which were not stock on these cars.
10" Campis in the rear, non-stock.
Does any of this mean anything? Sure but what to who?
The car would appear stock to an unknowledgeable buyer. Certainly it wouldn't appear radically modified.
What did the buyer want? Just a nice Pantera? Maybe? It certainly is that.
At $125,000, that is a plus to all Panteras owners. As a buyer...bummer.
"A rising tide floats all boats". This sale helps all Pantera values.
I particularly like the original patina on the dash board material.
I see this scenario ( Ultra Low Mileage Sports Cars) repeat itself ad nauseam & most recently is witnessed in the greatest percentile amongst Ford GT owners.
Currently very NICE DeTomaso Panteras can be acquired in the $50,000.00 range, which in my opinion is a relative bargain.
Speculation about rising values without "acquisition" is just that, it's akin to talking up Microsoft stock & NOT purchasing futures.
"A rising tide floats all boats" doesn't account for the boats with holes in them!...Mark
quote:Originally posted by 1Rocketship:This car & selling price is an "Anomaly" & is not reflective of 99.999368% of DeTomaso Panteras nor their reflective price.quote:Originally posted by PanteraDoug:quote:Originally posted by Kid:
Something which does get my attention - did it have a "windows all the way down" mod..?
And the fuel tank cap is not original no..?
The side view appears to show the window all the way down, i.e., a modified car.
The gas cap looks like the "aftermarket" aluminum cap with the DT logo that many of the vendors sell.
It also has the aluminum Detomaso valve covers which were not stock on these cars.
10" Campis in the rear, non-stock.
Does any of this mean anything? Sure but what to who?
The car would appear stock to an unknowledgeable buyer. Certainly it wouldn't appear radically modified.
What did the buyer want? Just a nice Pantera? Maybe? It certainly is that.
At $125,000, that is a plus to all Panteras owners. As a buyer...bummer.
"A rising tide floats all boats". This sale helps all Pantera values.
I particularly like the original patina on the dash board material.
I see this scenario ( Ultra Low Mileage Sports Cars) repeat itself ad nauseam & most recently is witnessed in the greatest percentile amongst Ford GT owners.
Currently very NICE DeTomaso Panteras can be acquired in the $50,000.00 range, which in my opinion is a relative bargain.
Speculation about rising values without "acquisition" is just that, it's akin to talking up Microsoft stock & NOT purchasing futures.
"A rising tide floats all boats" doesn't account for the boats with holes in them!...Mark
Using auction results isn't necessarily a statement of actual real world values either but what happens is the price goes viral and it certainly isn't going to lower asking or selling prices.
I believe the number that Hagarty Insurance was using as "average good condition" was $69,000.
How THAT number actually translates is controversial also.
I think what something like a car is worth is what you can get for it on the day you go to sell it. That would also account for the location.
For instance, if you take it to the car wash and offer it for sale, I'm sure you could get a couple of hundred dollars for it CASH!
As owners of a relatively small number of cars, we as a group control the market and the price.
If all owners would stick to a set minimum and not sell a car for 30K we would all do better. If the minimum price to purchase a car is 60K then that is the price to play.
The owners need to stop shooting themselves in the foot by accepting low offers.
Of course there will always be the rust bucket for less. I am referring to an average car in average condition.
Pantera owners are the worst for talking down other owners cars, and nit-picking them to death, that sold for a high number and saying it wasn't worth it. We should applaud high sale prices and support them.
If all owners would stick to a set minimum and not sell a car for 30K we would all do better. If the minimum price to purchase a car is 60K then that is the price to play.
The owners need to stop shooting themselves in the foot by accepting low offers.
Of course there will always be the rust bucket for less. I am referring to an average car in average condition.
Pantera owners are the worst for talking down other owners cars, and nit-picking them to death, that sold for a high number and saying it wasn't worth it. We should applaud high sale prices and support them.
Looks like I'm headed..."Straight to the Car Wash"!!! 
...Mark
...MarkIn Baseball & the possible merging of large corporations, that's referred to as "Collusion" & was also attempted ( cornering the market) by the Hunt Brothers who wrongly thought they could corner the silver commodities market.quote:Originally posted by ZR1 Pantera:
As owners of a relatively small number of cars, we as a group control the market and the price.
If all owners would stick to a set minimum and not sell a car for 30K we would all do better. If the minimum price to purchase a car is 60K then that is the price to play.
The owners need to stop shooting themselves in the foot by accepting low offers.
Of course there will always be the rust bucket for less. I am referring to an average car in average condition.
Pantera owners are the worst for talking down other owners cars, and nit-picking them to death, that sold for a high number and saying it wasn't worth it. We should applaud high sale prices and support them.
I have sighted NUMEROUS examples of the general public casting dispersions at various cars, the most recent example being the Ford GT which languished UNSOLD on dealer's showrooms, a rhetorical question would be..."Has that affected the Ford GT & it's astronomical appreciation?!"
The resounding answer being a resounding...NO!!!
I always thought a Jackson Pollock painting was comparable to a misguided kindergartner's attempt at painting, patently obvious that "others" disagree...As evidenced by the 140 MILLION sales price!!!...Mark
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11...ign/02drip.html?_r=0
So be that the maddening collective crowd may gather, sharpened pitchforks & torches ablaze ready to burn the witch( car) at the awaiting stake, yet their efforts are in essence fruitless for their voices of discontent are merely lost in the howling wind of reality...Mark
Hey Mark .. a little bit of price fixing is as old as unchecked capitalism. Must be some reason why gas stations on four corners all seem to raise/lower their prices to the same amounts on the same days. DeBeers did a good job with diamonds for a century before world morality and politics caught up with them .. but I digress. Let's not give away our cars .. price high and negotiate.
Hello Robie; Completely agree that "Price Fixing" occurs with the caveat being on everyday relatively low cost items ie: gas, milk, bread, etc, etc, not with "Big Ticket" items ie; Luxury Yachts, Vacation homes, Exotic Sports Cars which are purchased with discretionary income.quote:Originally posted by Robbie:
Hey Mark .. a little bit of price fixing is as old as unchecked capitalism. Must be some reason why gas stations on four corners all seem to raise/lower their prices to the same amounts on the same days. DeBeers did a good job with diamonds for a century before world morality and politics caught up with them .. but I digress. Let's not give away our cars .. price high and negotiate.
DeBeers is an excellent example of a singular commodities manipulation, prior to the public at large being made aware/conscious of "Conflict Free Diamonds".
I've always been more attracted to The Mogok Valley Rubies vs a South African diamond...Mark
quote:So be that the maddening collective crowd may gather, sharpened pitchforks & torches ablaze ready to burn the witch( car) at the awaiting stake, yet their efforts are in essence fruitless for their voices of discontent are merely lost in the howling wind of reality...Mark
Mark,
You need to stop hanging out with Pantera Doug so much, you are starting to sound like him!!!
And I mean that in the nicest way to you both!
Scott
PS: Does price fixing apply in the private marketplace???
I have NEVER used the phrase, "howling wind or reality". Mark is hanging by a thread, just trying to keep up.
Pitchforks and torches...hogwash. I have escape routes hidden all around the countryside.
I don't conspire.
Pitchforks and torches...hogwash. I have escape routes hidden all around the countryside.
I don't conspire.
Thank you Doctor for lubing up your finger well first. It is deeply appreciated?
This car looks good, the stance is right, it's clean.
The problem on price is in my humble opinion, Are owners who have all their taste in their mouth.I am talking about cars that sit 3 0r 4 inches above the wheel wells ( 4-wheel drive ? )Out of place wings, sloppy paint ( racing stripes ) and body work. Decals, fender enhancements and misaligned exhaust pipes. Stay away from "Pep Boys " and if you want to "bugger-up " your car that's your prerogative, but please, refrain yourself you are lowering the value of all our cars.
The problem on price is in my humble opinion, Are owners who have all their taste in their mouth.I am talking about cars that sit 3 0r 4 inches above the wheel wells ( 4-wheel drive ? )Out of place wings, sloppy paint ( racing stripes ) and body work. Decals, fender enhancements and misaligned exhaust pipes. Stay away from "Pep Boys " and if you want to "bugger-up " your car that's your prerogative, but please, refrain yourself you are lowering the value of all our cars.
quote:Originally posted by AZFAST1:
Mecum just sold 3342 at the Indiana auction for $125K plus fees, good price for a stock 72 with 10K miles on it!