Pantera #7001 - Back on eBay

i also know that is not the 383 stroked 351c the was sold with the car last year

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The car since then has been repaired and will carry a CLEAN transferable Florida title.

Smells fishy! This was Canadian Andrew's Pantera, which is now in Rancho Cordova, California (near Sacramento), being sold with a "CLEAN"(?) Florida title. Hmmmm. Does Florida have or distinguish salvage titles from regular titles? Maybe not. Perhaps it's a way to create a "clean" title for resale purposes.

More background on the accident:
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7650045562...590084263#8590084263
http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/7650045562/m/1320080563/p/1

Pre accident burnout:
http://www.portata.com/panteraadventure/videos/Pantera%20Burnout.mpg

Garth, apparently the "totaled" status does not carry across the border from Canada into the US with the title. They only check to see if it's stolen (and possibly for liens).

At least now the seller is being up front about the car's history which he was not the previous round.

Also, Wayne; Andrew said he thought it was his engine because he had it repainted to look stock and it looks the same. The fact that it only runs on 4 cyl. is a good indicator that the crash impact may have ruined the internals, as if it was an easy fix, it would be stupid not to fix something small after what they've done, right?

Every state is different as far as "burning the title".
NY isn't even a title state until the '73 model year.
I think it is required for the '96 model year and up.

As far as the condition of this car, I didn't think it was saveable.
Whoever did it is very talented with the frame machine.

The unibody on the Pantera is hard to push or pull withut tearing it up.

The real problem was with the roof, front pillar.
The pictures look like it came out really well.
The left door, pillar, front fender had to be replaced. Maybe the rear quarter as well.

I don't think the rear deck was saveable.

The floor was bent, there was no rocker left, I think the windshield died too.

If it was done well, professionally or not, the amount of filler in the car should be minimal. Basically to cover the hammer marks that don't pop out when the sheetmetal pops back.

It has to have a lot of "replacement" sheetmetal in the car.

There may be other "minor issues as far as alighment and some kinked suspension components and mounting points. These cars bend up easy.

Because of the direction of the impact, 11 o clock, the roof/deck alighnment is where it will be difficult, if not impossible to straighten the car to where it was.

The pictures look nice. Make sure you look at the floor pan from underneath and the pillar posts.

You will also get cracking in the quarter roof on non recked Panteras. The new paint doesn't want to stretch there for some reason and cracks.

Virtually ever Pantera that I have seen that has been repainted, even stripped to metal and painted, cracks there in the paint.

The car is black and will show the slightest imperfection. What do the rear inner fenders look like? They would buckle somehow in an impact like this also.

These guys probably specialize in bringing back wrecks but the retail value of that work has got to be in the $85,000 to $100,000 area.

Just a front fender is around $30,000.

Strikes me as strange that the seller claims it runs and "just needs a tuneup." Wouldn't a parts house be able to easily get the parts and tune-up a small block Ford? If I were selling a specialty car and it needed a tuneup, I would give it a tuneup. Hell you could go to your neighborhood Kragen or Pep Boys and get tuneup parts relatively cheap. Would be interesting if a potential buyer did a leak-down and compression check on that motor.

My opinion is .. they know who fixed the car ..they know who has the 383 engine.. they know now that the PANTERA COMMUNITY is on to them .. they are disclosing the info so they will not be on the hook for dammages. Notice they are selling it AS IS ..in NY that takes you OFF the HOOK. They are preparing to take a hit on this car. They specialize in ITALIAN CAR RECYCLING ??? Well this is a PRIME RECYCLED PANTERA .... it used to look like a crushed BUDWIESER CAN.

The way to pull this car on a frame machine would have been to pull the old sheetmetal in the opposite direction from which it was hit. Then once the frame points lined up start removing panels. This is going to be a driver.

Ron