I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE THIS CAR IT IS A 1980 BUT TRYING TO FIND OUT A LITTLE MORE IF ANYONE CAN HELP I WOULD APPRICATE.
ADAM
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#9053 does sound like it could have been built already in 1977. Photos?
Welcome to the forums Adam.
There are no details for the car in the Van Ness registry, the ProvaMo registry nor in Peter Havlik's registry.
The coaches for the first 9000 series cars, chassis #9001 through #9099, were manufactured by a coach building company named Maggiora. Cars built with those coaches were the subjects of a recall. It would be prudent to ask if Pantera #9053 received the updates as per the recall; if the seller says yes they should be able to present documentation.
That recall lead to a break down in the relationship between De Tomaso and Maggiora. The coaches for all subsequent 9000 series Panteras (beginning chassis 9100) were manufactured by another coach building company named Embo.
There are no details for the car in the Van Ness registry, the ProvaMo registry nor in Peter Havlik's registry.
The coaches for the first 9000 series cars, chassis #9001 through #9099, were manufactured by a coach building company named Maggiora. Cars built with those coaches were the subjects of a recall. It would be prudent to ask if Pantera #9053 received the updates as per the recall; if the seller says yes they should be able to present documentation.
That recall lead to a break down in the relationship between De Tomaso and Maggiora. The coaches for all subsequent 9000 series Panteras (beginning chassis 9100) were manufactured by another coach building company named Embo.
George, that information was new to me. All that factory documentation starts to make sense now. Can´t say I´m surprised as I have been working with the body of my #9073 already for 3 years now, and the quality of work just keeps on amazing me. Have you got some more information to share about the Maggiora period?
quote:Originally posted by kimmosch:
Have you got some more information to share about the Maggiora period?
It has been written Maggiora and Embo used the same body panel molds because De Tomaso owned the molds. So all Panteras from chassis #9001 up were all made from the same molds. Maggiora however utilized poor quality steel which was also too thin in the chassis section. The nature of the recall was to reinforce the chassis sections of the Panteras with Maggiora built coaches, but the recall was at the owners expense.
The Panteras built with Maggiora coaches were assembled in the mid-1976 to mid-1978 time frame. One oddity of the Maggiora built coaches, some have the narrow license plate recess sized for US/Canadian license plates, others have the wider recess sized for European license plates.
Peter Havlik is the expert, he may have more information on the subject.
Mine is one of those "narrow license plate" versions. I have been e-mailing with Peter, but even his archives seem to be quite limited, when talking about Maggiora built Panteras.
I do appricate all the info, the car was involved in a hard head on years ago and has been sitting and is very soft if not gone underneath, all seems to be there so trying to get more info if it even has any or value.
Adam
Adam
Adding photos will help. More the better. There is a big group of helpful Pantera people in here. Some of them have a gigantic amount of knowledge about Panteras.
hopefully the photo goes thru
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You should try and get "Full Sized" photos to the Provamo Registry, just so the car gets documented.... See the main page for instructions.....
http://www.provamo.com/default.asp
It can go in this section as well....
Damaged DeTomasos
I'll leave it to others to say if that is a "fixer-upper" or a parts car....
Rocky
http://www.provamo.com/default.asp
It can go in this section as well....
Damaged DeTomasos
I'll leave it to others to say if that is a "fixer-upper" or a parts car....
Rocky
Besides Chuck Melton's registry Peter's should have that information as well.
Adam please send me a full size copy of that photo, and any other photos you may have taken, plus where the car is currently located, so I can forward that info to Peter Havlik
thank you
pi.club@panteracars.com
Adam please send me a full size copy of that photo, and any other photos you may have taken, plus where the car is currently located, so I can forward that info to Peter Havlik
thank you
pi.club@panteracars.com
I wish I could be of some help on this, but I have no information on #9053 specifically. As for the Carrozzeria Maggiora Panteras in general, George is being far too modest. He knows as much as anyone outside of Italy about this hazy period in De Tomaso history. Most of what I know, I learned from him.
Maggiora went out of business in 2003, so I doubt we will ever have full knowledge of their involvement with De Tomaso.
Of the 100 cars that span the 9001 to 9100 VIN range, I have only been able to document or find any references to the following:
#9001 – Pantera ? -– Norway [per BVE][no photo]
#9010 - 1978 Pantera GTS – UK
#9013 – 1983 Pantera ? – red –– Sweden [per BVE] [no photo]
#9020 – Pantera GT5 – Switzerland [per BVE] [no photo]
#9023 - 1978 Pantera ? - BV – Netherlands [no photo]
#9024 – 1978 Pantera ? – white – New York, USA [per BVE] [no photo]
#9033 – 1977 Pantera GTS –– California, USA [per BVE]
#9035 - 1977 Pantera GTS – UK
#9039 – 1977 Pantera GTS – UK [no photo]
#9046 - 1979 Pantera GTS – Germany
#9047 - 1978 Pantera L – Netherlands [no photo]
#9056 - 1978 Pantera GTS - - Florida, USA
#9061 - Pantera - Belgium [wrecked] no photo
#9070 - 1978 Pantera GTS Speciale - Sweden to USA
#9071 - 1980 Pantera GT5 - Switzerland
#9072 - 1977 Pantera GTS - - Vienna, Austria
#9073 - Pantera GTS - - Perttula, Finland
#9074 - 1977 Pantera GTS
#9077 – Pantera GTS – Ireland [no photo]
#9078 - Pantera - under restoration – UK [no photo]
#9084 - 1978 Pantera Gr 3 - Germany [no photo]
#9086 – 1977 Pantera GTS - Germany
#9087 - Pantera GTS -
#9090 – Pantera – Switzerland [no photo]
#9094 - 1978 Pantera GTS – Scotland
#9098 - 1978 Pantera GTS - Bellevue, Washington, USA
#9099 – Pantera GTS – UK – written off [no photo]
Maggiora went out of business in 2003, so I doubt we will ever have full knowledge of their involvement with De Tomaso.
Of the 100 cars that span the 9001 to 9100 VIN range, I have only been able to document or find any references to the following:
#9001 – Pantera ? -– Norway [per BVE][no photo]
#9010 - 1978 Pantera GTS – UK
#9013 – 1983 Pantera ? – red –– Sweden [per BVE] [no photo]
#9020 – Pantera GT5 – Switzerland [per BVE] [no photo]
#9023 - 1978 Pantera ? - BV – Netherlands [no photo]
#9024 – 1978 Pantera ? – white – New York, USA [per BVE] [no photo]
#9033 – 1977 Pantera GTS –– California, USA [per BVE]
#9035 - 1977 Pantera GTS – UK
#9039 – 1977 Pantera GTS – UK [no photo]
#9046 - 1979 Pantera GTS – Germany
#9047 - 1978 Pantera L – Netherlands [no photo]
#9056 - 1978 Pantera GTS - - Florida, USA
#9061 - Pantera - Belgium [wrecked] no photo
#9070 - 1978 Pantera GTS Speciale - Sweden to USA
#9071 - 1980 Pantera GT5 - Switzerland
#9072 - 1977 Pantera GTS - - Vienna, Austria
#9073 - Pantera GTS - - Perttula, Finland
#9074 - 1977 Pantera GTS
#9077 – Pantera GTS – Ireland [no photo]
#9078 - Pantera - under restoration – UK [no photo]
#9084 - 1978 Pantera Gr 3 - Germany [no photo]
#9086 – 1977 Pantera GTS - Germany
#9087 - Pantera GTS -
#9090 – Pantera – Switzerland [no photo]
#9094 - 1978 Pantera GTS – Scotland
#9098 - 1978 Pantera GTS - Bellevue, Washington, USA
#9099 – Pantera GTS – UK – written off [no photo]
Hi.
For informations.
I just want to tell that i just bay the dammed/rusty Pantera 9053 from Adam.
So now i have to find some parts for reparing the car.
Kjeld Pedersen.
Denmark
For informations.
I just want to tell that i just bay the dammed/rusty Pantera 9053 from Adam.
So now i have to find some parts for reparing the car.
Kjeld Pedersen.
Denmark
quote:Originally posted by Peter H:
I wish I could be of some help on this, but I have no information on #9053 specifically. As for the Carrozzeria Maggiora Panteras in general, George is being far too modest. He knows as much as anyone outside of Italy about this hazy period in De Tomaso history. Most of what I know, I learned from him.
Maggiora went out of business in 2003, so I doubt we will ever have full knowledge of their involvement with De Tomaso.
Of the 100 cars that span the 9001 to 9100 VIN range, I have only been able to document or find any references to the following:
#9001 – Pantera ? -– Norway [per BVE][no photo]
#9010 - 1978 Pantera GTS – UK
#9013 – 1983 Pantera ? – red –– Sweden [per BVE] [no photo]
#9020 – Pantera GT5 – Switzerland [per BVE] [no photo]
#9023 - 1978 Pantera ? - BV – Netherlands [no photo]
#9024 – 1978 Pantera ? – white – New York, USA [per BVE] [no photo]
#9033 – 1977 Pantera GTS –– California, USA [per BVE]
#9035 - 1977 Pantera GTS – UK
#9039 – 1977 Pantera GTS – UK [no photo]
#9046 - 1979 Pantera GTS – Germany
#9047 - 1978 Pantera L – Netherlands [no photo]
#9056 - 1978 Pantera GTS - - Florida, USA
#9061 - Pantera - Belgium [wrecked] no photo
#9070 - 1978 Pantera GTS Speciale - Sweden to USA
#9071 - 1980 Pantera GT5 - Switzerland
#9072 - 1977 Pantera GTS - - Vienna, Austria
#9073 - Pantera GTS - - Perttula, Finland
#9074 - 1977 Pantera GTS
#9077 – Pantera GTS – Ireland [no photo]
#9078 - Pantera - under restoration – UK [no photo]
#9084 - 1978 Pantera Gr 3 - Germany [no photo]
#9086 – 1977 Pantera GTS - Germany
#9087 - Pantera GTS -
#9090 – Pantera – Switzerland [no photo]
#9094 - 1978 Pantera GTS – Scotland
#9098 - 1978 Pantera GTS - Bellevue, Washington, USA
#9099 – Pantera GTS – UK – written off [no photo]
Congratulations, Kjeld. It sounds like you will have your work cut out for you, but there have been many seriously rusted Panteras brought back to life before, and so I am sure you will succeed.
Do you have any photos you could share with us? Do you know the history of this car?
Do you have any photos you could share with us? Do you know the history of this car?
Hi Peter.
At the moment i only have a littel background on the car.
I just bay it from Adam Skipper.
And i only have the Picture there are in the post.
The car is still at Adams place.
As soon i have some more i will let you know.
Kjeld.
At the moment i only have a littel background on the car.
I just bay it from Adam Skipper.
And i only have the Picture there are in the post.
The car is still at Adams place.
As soon i have some more i will let you know.
Kjeld.
well done, Kjeld.
And good luck with your Pantera project.
And good luck with your Pantera project.
Kjeld, my fellow Dane, congratulations! You've taken on a formidable project, remember that help in Denmark is not far away. Let us know when you get it to Pantera Country (=Denmark).
I think we have more running Panteras per capita in Denmark than most places, and on the wonderful trips that Charlie make, Denmark is definitely the highest number of participants per capita. It hasn't always been that way, when I considered my first Pantera almost 10 years ago, just seeing one on the road happened less than once a year. I think 3-5 running Panteras back then, now it's a lot more.
Your's may be the newest model in Denmark...
I think we have more running Panteras per capita in Denmark than most places, and on the wonderful trips that Charlie make, Denmark is definitely the highest number of participants per capita. It hasn't always been that way, when I considered my first Pantera almost 10 years ago, just seeing one on the road happened less than once a year. I think 3-5 running Panteras back then, now it's a lot more.
Your's may be the newest model in Denmark...
Hi Mikael.
Thanks.
I think you are right about the numbers of Panteraes here in Denmark.
I remember back in the beginning of the seventies you never see a Pantera in the streets.
The one i just bay is in a wery bad condition it has a big dammed in the front and, Adam Skipper the seller told me the bottom of the car is almost gone.
So now i have to fire up under my English Wheel, pullmax, cutting and bending machine and a lot of welding.
so in 2-3years time (i hope) one Pantera more on the Danish roads.
I will inform when i have some more.
Kjeld.
Thanks.
I think you are right about the numbers of Panteraes here in Denmark.
I remember back in the beginning of the seventies you never see a Pantera in the streets.
The one i just bay is in a wery bad condition it has a big dammed in the front and, Adam Skipper the seller told me the bottom of the car is almost gone.
So now i have to fire up under my English Wheel, pullmax, cutting and bending machine and a lot of welding.
so in 2-3years time (i hope) one Pantera more on the Danish roads.
I will inform when i have some more.
Kjeld.
quote:Originally posted by No Quarter:
Kjeld, my fellow Dane, congratulations! You've taken on a formidable project, remember that help in Denmark is not far away. Let us know when you get it to Pantera Country (=Denmark).
I think we have more running Panteras per capita in Denmark than most places, and on the wonderful trips that Charlie make, Denmark is definitely the highest number of participants per capita. It hasn't always been that way, when I considered my first Pantera almost 10 years ago, just seeing one on the road happened less than once a year. I think 3-5 running Panteras back then, now it's a lot more.
Your's may be the newest model in Denmark...
Congrats Kjeld,
Looking forward to see the car and follow the restoration.
Looking forward to see the car and follow the restoration.
quote:So now i have to fire up under my English Wheel, pullmax, cutting and bending machine and a lot of welding.
With that machinery it shall be fun working with a late model Pantera. Under the surface everything has been done from straight steel. Definitely not a very industrial looking structure. The quality of work is sometimes so amazing, that you won´t be able to reach the same level without having a bottle of Italian wine before starting to work.
wow - i checked out that car and I find it hard to believe it can be restored.
quote:Originally posted by kimmosch:
... you won´t be able to reach the same level without having a bottle of Italian wine before starting to work ...
Here is a link to a project of similar dimensions undertaken by a Norwegian chap. 6 pages of photos. Pay attention to photo number 4 on the first page. As probably well known Alcohol is insanely expensive in Norway so a Substitute for Italian Wine could be lots of cheap imported Danish Beer
http://www.detomaso-norge.com/harlem.htm
http://www.detomaso-norge.com/harlem.htm
[QUOTE]Originally posted by goodroc:
Here is a link to a project of similar dimensions undertaken by a Norwegian chap. 6 pages of photos. Pay attention to photo number 4 on the first page. As probably well known Alcohol is insanely expensive in Norway so a Substitute for Italian Wine could be lots of cheap imported Danish Beer
Didn't notice the finished product. I have seen many a projects started, but not that many finished...and that's just me.
Here is a link to a project of similar dimensions undertaken by a Norwegian chap. 6 pages of photos. Pay attention to photo number 4 on the first page. As probably well known Alcohol is insanely expensive in Norway so a Substitute for Italian Wine could be lots of cheap imported Danish Beer
Didn't notice the finished product. I have seen many a projects started, but not that many finished...and that's just me.
I just wanted to ad car # 9049 to the list ! 1978 Located in Corona California USA
quote:Originally posted by 40of74:
I just wanted to ad car # 9049 to the list ! 1978 Located in Corona California USA
What do you mean #9049 was located into Corona.
I have seen this into Las Vegas by a car dealer.
I am very interested into this Pantera, do you know the owner?
regards , Simon
simonvels@kpnmail.nl
Simon...
There are what look like recent pictures of 9049 in the Provamo registry.... At least they were posted recently....
Rocky
There are what look like recent pictures of 9049 in the Provamo registry.... At least they were posted recently....
Rocky
quote:Originally posted by Rocky:
Simon...
There are what look like recent pictures of 9049 in the Provamo registry.... At least they were posted recently....
Rocky
Yes I have seen this on the registry ,but member 40 of 74 wrote that this Pantera was located into Corona CA.
Simon
quote:Originally posted by PanteraWanabe:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by goodroc:
Here is a link to a project of similar dimensions undertaken by a Norwegian chap. 6 pages of photos. Pay attention to photo number 4 on the first page. As probably well known Alcohol is insanely expensive in Norway so a Substitute for Italian Wine could be lots of cheap imported Danish Beer
Didn't notice the finished product. I have seen many a projects started, but not that many finished...and that's just me.
Have to say that those are some impressive fabrication skills! Hope that one makes it back on the road.
Mike