Production History Questions for Phillippe

I never advised you to do this or something else.

I never denied the work you did and it cost you a little money.

I've never blamed you for wanting to do buziness

I notice that you refuse George's offer to give you some money to buy you and manage the archives you own, you prefer to sell them to each owner to earn more. It's your right, you say it yourself, the world is like that

I only say that to promote your buziness you deliberately exaggerate the importance of the original documents for an ORDINARY car, not for one that has a very particular story or belonged to a celebrity, example that you always take.

In the end it's all about money and time. We too have (access to) "saved" a lot of documents from the factory as well, including a complete set af blueprints of the Pantera - maybe 500+ drawings that was the drawings that was kept at Vignale.

As much as we would like to share them with the community, it's complicated by the fact, that it would cost us quite a substaintial amount of money to have it all scanned.

Many of the drawings are huge 1:1 size - 1.5 m wide to 6-7 meters long. So they require professional equipment and that cost money.

Personally I would not see any disadvantages to participate modestly in the cost of scanning technical documents to save them, if they are then made available to the owners of De Tomaso.

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Originally posted by Push1267:
In the end it's all about money and time. We too have (access to) "saved" a lot of documents from the factory as well, including a complete set af blueprints of the Pantera - maybe 500+ drawings that was the drawings that was kept at Vignale.

As much as we would like to share them with the community, it's complicated by the fact, that it would cost us quite a substaintial amount of money to have it all scanned.

Many of the drawings are huge 1:1 size - 1.5 m wide to 6-7 meters long. So they require professional equipment and that cost money.

Exactly, it cost time (money ) professionnal equipment (money ) . We all face the same problem, If you buy somethings for 1 $, you cannot sell it for 50 cents and if you spend time, at the end, it cost not 1 $ but 1,50 $

More work

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Thousands of invoice to read one by one

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Originally posted by Push1267:
In the end it's all about money and time. We too have (access to) "saved" a lot of documents from the factory as well, including a complete set af blueprints of the Pantera - maybe 500+ drawings that was the drawings that was kept at Vignale.

As much as we would like to share them with the community, it's complicated by the fact, that it would cost us quite a substaintial amount of money to have it all scanned.

Many of the drawings are huge 1:1 size - 1.5 m wide to 6-7 meters long. So they require professional equipment and that cost money.

Exemple, car 1267, I found original title from Sweden 1984 , copy of original title from Italy 1983, but with this title, we can do the research with Italian administration and GET all the previous papers and history with owners etc, ++++ the fact that 1267 was a factory own car !
Only theses infos cost me 30 minutes of my time !

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++++ the fact that 1267 was a factory own car

We need to talk ... :-)

I would be interested to hear how much having the drawings scanned would cost

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Originally posted by Push1267:
In the end it's all about money and time. We too have (access to) "saved" a lot of documents from the factory as well, including a complete set af blueprints of the Pantera - maybe 500+ drawings that was the drawings that was kept at Vignale.

As much as we would like to share them with the community, it's complicated by the fact, that it would cost us quite a substaintial amount of money to have it all scanned.

Many of the drawings are huge 1:1 size - 1.5 m wide to 6-7 meters long. So they require professional equipment and that cost money.

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Originally posted by Push1267:
Many of the drawings are huge 1:1 size - 1.5 m wide to 6-7 meters long. So they require professional equipment and that cost money.

Hang them on a wall and take photos from a distance with a high resolution DSLR camera with a telephoto lens.

I wish you were closer, I’d do it for you.

A while ago I was told that the Archive was held by Marcel Shwaub in Switzerland. I contacted him regarding some history of my Euro GTS 3840.

he said he had 16 pages of factory history for my car, the first owner the name of the dealership that sold my car to the first owner in Turin, and some warranty history, all on DeTomaso paperwork.

his price for this was Euros 400. I paid and received the information which I found a little sad for the archive was now going to individual owners who would pay, instead of being kept together. The market rules sadly.

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Originally posted by Peter Fenlon:
A while ago I was told that the Archive was held by Marcel Shwaub in Switzerland. I contacted him regarding some history of my Euro GTS 3840.

he said he had 16 pages of factory history for my car, the first owner the name of the dealership that sold my car to the first owner in Turin, and some warranty history, all on DeTomaso paperwork.

his price for this was Euros 400. I paid and received the information which I found a little sad for the archive was now going to individual owners who would pay, instead of being kept together. The market rules sadly.

Then, why you bought them ?

Phillippe, I am communicating with a fellow that calls him self Vito De Tomaso or at least that is his email. He never signs of with his name in any email so I am actually not sure. Anyway I am struggling a bit as it almost seems like he is trying to make a sale of some documents he claims to have on #6174 more than necessary difficult. All I was asking for was if he could lay out the documents and photos he claims to have on a table and take a snap shot of it and email me. It appears to be too much work for him as he claims he is too busy. I find it weird if he wants to sell something he should be able to take 5 minutes to do that? It really is a shame when I am interested to see what he has and not just take his word for it. If you know this person perhaps you can assist and help him to understand that it is only fair what I ask for and should be part of "business as usual" if he wants to sell documents to owners of DeTomaso´s? Don´t you agree? I hope you can help to guide this guy if you know him.

best regards
Jan

Send me email to olczyk@yahoo.com please
I m travelling but will be back in 3 days.

I also had contacts with VITO, I made the same request to see the documents that he sells me, but still no photos ...... are this a scam ?????
Fernando

Same story with Vito... whats his involvement ?

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Originally posted by wrinkle effect:
I also had contacts with VITO, I made the same request to see the documents that he sells me, but still no photos ...... are this a scam ?????
Fernando

Wow, can you give me your chassis number please ?
Talking about scam because he don’t reply to you is very strange, may be he is busy or he need to answer within the 30 secondes ?

We exchanged a lot of mail with Vito, he responds very quickly to announce the price, but after that it's less well .....
it was agreed to show me the documents he had on my cars but still no photos despite my reminders, I want to pay but I want to see what I buy for 800 euros .... The numbers of Pantera are on my signature

Fernando, Vito Vous as déjà répondu, mais il répond aux premiers, il va vous répondre cette semaine , je vais l appeler