What are the basic things to look for

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Originally posted by four walling:

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Originally posted by Splittin'lanes1:
my guess is that, knowledgable buyers who do their homework, suppress the prices and end up being owners who "got a good deal" and that is their reference point, further depressing the market,

the Pantera is not for everybody and those bodys that do don't wanna pay, have you seen some prices of some vintage mustangs lately?

might as well get a Pantera

9% of CA homeowners are in forelcosure or late on their mortgage payment.

Conventional wisdom would make me believe that this would cause the current low resale value of Panteras because of the limited pool of buyers.

i concur, but, ca is not the only state affected by the constriction of wealth, as i indicated before, the market is soft and subscribing to the notion that fossil fuels are at below 50 percent globally the writing is on the wall for mortorsports in general.

i wonder when we get to dire straits with gas what affects will it have on gdp, in other words how much does the motorsport contribute to the economy nationally and world wide?

Subject to verification of the claims ... This is the type of car I would seriously consider if I was shopping for a DeT Pantera.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Pantera-72_W...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

HTH

now that i think about things, too much has to be done to the originals to make it the car it should be, it was close in the beginning, but no cigars, aside of the purchase price countless amounts would need to rework plenty.

zero feedbacks, odd to see L bumpers on a pre L in 1972, hmmmm...

ebay 7 day acutions, don't give you much time to verify before commitment, nonetheless, if the highest bidder even ends up paying.

all in all glad to see a survivor intact

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Originally posted by andriyko:
Subject to verification of the claims ... This is the type of car I would seriously consider if I was shopping for a DeT Pantera.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Pantera-72_W...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

HTH

This car was bid to $53655 on September 5th and was a no sale because it did not meet the reserve.

As of this post, the current high bid is $43100.

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Originally posted by four walling:

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Originally posted by andriyko:
Subject to verification of the claims ... This is the type of car I would seriously consider if I was shopping for a DeT Pantera.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Other-Makes-Pantera-72_W...QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

HTH

This car was bid to $53655 on September 5th and was a no sale because it did not meet the reserve.

As of this post, the current high bid is $43100.

people tend to fool around on ebay if they know the reserve is sky high,heck i may even bid on it just to make the ones who want it pay more,and now that ebay will allow up to 4 ebay motors auto listing per year free,you'll see more "test the waters type" listings

can't rule out one of his friends shell bidding, all i can say is this guy is off the mark and should be glad to get 35k-37k.

Splittin 'lanes1

I was thinking the same thing with the bumpers. L style bumpers with a 2 pod dash. I guess I dont know Panteras as well as I thought. I have a 74 and wanted exactly what you are looking for. I looked for 30 years. I wanted one that was not hacked up. I finally found one that was pretty much stock. I did the usual MSD, Fluidyne etc. but nothing to the appearance of the car. I get sooooo many compliments on the car by LEAVING IT STOCK... The engine however is not, but the numbers match. I was a bit confused by DeTom's comment "If a Pantera has any rust at all it is worth less" mine has a couple of bubbles at the drivers window base but when I rebuilt the engine and took out the gas tank I expected to find rust but I was able to install the original rubber mounts because every thing was still puuuurrrrfect, even the under side which I saw when I replaced the tubes. There is no way I would scrap my car and save the ZF just because a little rust. My paint is still very good but I know I have to fix the one rust spot I have so it does not get worse. I'm rambling. Good luck on your search and I hope you find the one you want. It's a unbelievable feeling to own a Pantera....

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Originally posted by 74LQQKR:
Splittin 'lanes1

I was thinking the same thing with the bumpers. L style bumpers with a 2 pod dash. I guess I dont know Panteras as well as I thought. I have a 74 and wanted exactly what you are looking for. I looked for 30 years. I wanted one that was not hacked up. I finally found one that was pretty much stock. I did the usual MSD, Fluidyne etc. but nothing to the appearance of the car. I get sooooo many compliments on the car by LEAVING IT STOCK... The engine however is not, but the numbers match. I was a bit confused by DeTom's comment "If a Pantera has any rust at all it is worth less" mine has a couple of bubbles at the drivers window base but when I rebuilt the engine and took out the gas tank I expected to find rust but I was able to install the original rubber mounts because every thing was still puuuurrrrfect, even the under side which I saw when I replaced the tubes. There is no way I would scrap my car and save the ZF just because a little rust. My paint is still very good but I know I have to fix the one rust spot I have so it does not get worse. I'm rambling. Good luck on your search and I hope you find the one you want. It's a unbelievable feeling to own a Pantera....

What I meant was if you had rust, no potential newbie could buy it because all of us supersmart Pantera owners would tell him not to, Pantera owners wouldn't risk having to do extensive repairs. In other words, if you have rust you can't sell your car at all. It is almost illegal. You are fine until you go to sell your car. If you do, Mike Drew will come after it with ascrewdriver and poke it plumb full of holes looking to excise the reust demon. Yet 66 Mustangs can be caving in with rust and they are somehow "National Treasures that must be restored". At least according to the super stupid Mustang owners who don't know that the least little bit of rust makes a car totaly worthless. In fact you will have to pay the recycler to take it away.
I was just be facisious about how we Pantera owners blow our feet off everyday with our thoughtless utterances.

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Originally posted by DeTom:

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Originally posted by 74LQQKR:
Splittin 'lanes1

I was thinking the same thing with the bumpers. L style bumpers with a 2 pod dash. I guess I dont know Panteras as well as I thought. I have a 74 and wanted exactly what you are looking for. I looked for 30 years. I wanted one that was not hacked up. I finally found one that was pretty much stock. I did the usual MSD, Fluidyne etc. but nothing to the appearance of the car. I get sooooo many compliments on the car by LEAVING IT STOCK... The engine however is not, but the numbers match. I was a bit confused by DeTom's comment "If a Pantera has any rust at all it is worth less" mine has a couple of bubbles at the drivers window base but when I rebuilt the engine and took out the gas tank I expected to find rust but I was able to install the original rubber mounts because every thing was still puuuurrrrfect, even the under side which I saw when I replaced the tubes. There is no way I would scrap my car and save the ZF just because a little rust. My paint is still very good but I know I have to fix the one rust spot I have so it does not get worse. I'm rambling. Good luck on your search and I hope you find the one you want. It's a unbelievable feeling to own a Pantera....

What I meant was if you had rust, no potential newbie could buy it because all of us supersmart Pantera owners would tell him not to, Pantera owners wouldn't risk having to do extensive repairs. In other words, if you have rust you can't sell your car at all. It is almost illegal. You are fine until you go to sell your car. If you do, Mike Drew will come after it with ascrewdriver and poke it plumb full of holes looking to excise the reust demon. Yet 66 Mustangs can be caving in with rust and they are somehow "National Treasures that must be restored". At least according to the super stupid Mustang owners who don't know that the least little bit of rust makes a car totaly worthless. In fact you will have to pay the recycler to take it away.
I was just be facisious about how we Pantera owners blow our feet off everyday with our thoughtless utterances.

hey guys, worth less is 2 words and worthless is 1 word, the 2 word accessment would apply if the cancer had not metastasized, and remain isolated.

sometimes a car living in salt ladened roads show very bad surface and flash rusting throughout the whole car on every concievable unprotected surface, not just hidden, these are the kinds of cars i would difff like to avoid, (poor car)

yes i'm a wannabe owner, i've been lurking on every archived pages my stinkin computer can open, so even though i haven't snuggle up to a pantie lately,or soon( next year) i'm getting up to speed.

now i'm thinkin a bare metal restored for sale done in good taste could be fetched for 35-41,500.00 with big rims.

i don't know how many of those 50 and 60k units actually sell, of course where not talking showcase cars, garage and trailer nellies.

Tell you what splittin, if you just wait long enough Panteras will keep going down in price because most of the owners are ancient old gasbags like myself. As we die off and sell them to get money to pay for nursing home care, younger people who never heard of a Pantera will buy them as curios. Probably for about ten cents on todays dollar.

Hmmm. I've been watching this thread. At first I took DeTom to be serious, but now I think he is just being sarcastic.

If that's the case, then I agree wholeheartedly. I have resisted putting any of my progress pics on here specifically because of the way my fellow owners tend to "pounce" on rust and other issues. A bit of "schadenfreude" perhaps. I have said it before and I'll say it again: we are our own worst enemy when it comes to these cars. Mustangs do have just as many rust issues as Panteras, but aren't treated nearly as negatively by their owners. Panteras and Mustangs aren't even in the same league, yet the price differential isn't that great. I sold my '66 Fastback GT for $37K two years ago. That's definitely Pantera territory. I replace the floors and rear frame rails on that car as well as the lower rear quarters. I was open and honest about it. No one cared because, much like in the case of a Pantera, there is no such thing as an orignal Mustang with no rust. Its just not how they did it back then.

You get it John. Once you complete your car you will have added a good twenty thousand dollars to its value. A person could make a living restoring Panteras if he did all his own work. You can buy rusted out Panteras for under 16K. If you don't go hog wild buying new parts to put on you could flip that same Pantera for 45-50K and pocket the rest after you bought the next rust bucket for 12K.

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Originally posted by DeTom:
Tell you what splittin, if you just wait long enough Panteras will keep going down in price because most of the owners are ancient old gasbags like myself. As we die off and sell them to get money to pay for nursing home care, younger people who never heard of a Pantera will buy them as curios. Probably for about ten cents on todays dollar.

Tell you what DeTom, a buyer is always biased towards paying less and seller is polarized, as in any market; finacial, housing, cars whatever, price discovery is dynamic and can or cannot reflect a myriad of sentiments, it is when the buyer finds the car he wants and negotiates the the best price positions for himself based on the value he has assigned to that vehicle, armed with a base knowlegde of pantera valuations and the seller acts or react accordingly. this price discovery plays out everytime a Pantera tranfers owners; as in any things sold.

I can understand your tone and I don't take you seriously, you have a characteristic brand of sense of humor not everyone can detect.

My intentions are not to be a wannabe too too long, nor could I live with myself should i plunge headlong into ownership.as i said on my first post some of my play money is taking a beating in wall street, and paying attention to the market right now is more important to me for the time being that having to buy a car i'll end up TINKERING WITH ad infinitum, which is all too consuming.

to me everything is a game and the search in and of itself is a game to me.

Most Pantera owners have prolly secured their place in nursing homes financially by now and even if they didn't, the state does a decent job of caring for the very old, decrepit, sick and feeble, besides who gives a damn about how you feel when your'e so close to death, not even the victim/patient really knows or care they just wanna die.

so no, 10 cents on the dollor no, 40-60k yes, it takes thousands of man hours and thought , effort, to maintain and create a finished car, i've been there, that price a owner pays cannot reasonably be quantified but most buyers will try to dismmiss it from the purchase price, it's happen to everyone and it is a know fact of being car crazy.

Pantera is also subject to supply and demand. A whole lot of us owners die all at once, over a period of say six months, hundreds of survivors, wives and kids, put these pieces of tin on the market all at once and there are only three guys lookig for a car, you bet they can bid them down. It WILL happen. In maybe five or ten years most all of us old foggies will be dieng off like flies.

i prolly don't subscribe to the scenario that current owners will drop dead in lock step, and causing a flood of italiamericana rusty tin to saturate the market, however, in light of the cost of gas and the constant attention p/o's and future owners of panteras are required to dote onto their prized or future prized possesions, the future owner or current is of a different breed, and caveats for those contemplating crossing the threashold into this self hazing fraternity, my sorry self included.

Thousand appologies DeTom and thanks John, now I get it, hope I'm not getting close to dropping dead. Actually that's an issue that my wife talks about. What's my Pantera worth if I kick it, of course I don't want a new guy driving the car of his dreams when I'm gone, sell it. I told her to contact George or at least someone on this board. She's seen how much time I've put into it and thinks it's worth, say over 100K so you guys would have to bring her back to reality. The time spent on the car is good therapy.. cheers