Wheel Well Scoops/Vents

Look for some posts from Comp2.
He added these vents to the front fenders of his car.

His work and his car are amazing.
He also has a web site of his build.

Hi Pantera 2077
Could you please send website details of Comp2 ?
Many tks and good w e

http://www.rc-tech.net

Thank you

I ran across this pic in an old Pantera publication. Sorry for the quality but its from the early 80's.

Depends how effective your nose spoiler is...if the spoiler allows a lot of air under the nose you may see benefit from the louvers. If you have one of the large air dams spoilers I'm pretty sure they are pretty effective at keeping air from going under the nose. Dennis Antenucci told me his air dam was pretty effective. Note the picture with no louvers. If it had made a big difference I'm sure he would have done it to improve his ORR times and speed.

Interesting story behind nose louvers...Bruce McLaren was the first to do the louvers on the fenders and it was discovered purely by accident. Bruce was testing one of his Can Am cars and accidentally left the pit with a nose access panel to the brake master cylinders partially un-fastened...he was on the straight away picking up speed and noticed the panel started to lift because of the air pressure under the nose. The thought in those days was the wind coming across the nose was pushing down on the nose...so they thought. He drove back into the pits and had the panel totally removed and made the hole bigger and found that the nose didn't lift as much. McLaren continued to modify the design and ended up with the louvers on the fenders. This cured some handling problems at speed for the McLarens.

Mark have you increased the caster in your front suspension? The stock caster settings are notorious for making the front end dart and wander.

Mark, to answer your question, no one knows exactly what affects anything aerodynamically on Panteras. As Tom said, it depends on your air dam and front end rake. But more importantly, none of this stuff is effective below about 125 mph, so experiment carefully! And don't forget that a car is essentially a box on 4 springs, so if you increase downforce in front, the rear is going to lift, pivoting around the center of balance which is about 6" in front of the engine. Fast guys who have added air dams or big front spoilers have found that the TAIL then gets light- above 160- leading to a small spoiler on the trailing edge of the body. A wing is effective but adds more drag- enough to slow a car maybe 20 mph on the top end. 'Course, if you're only interested in the look, anything that pleases you is fine- its your car!

Hello "All"; Thanks to everyone for their advice & input....."Much Appreciated"!!!!!.....I was looking at the fender vent scoop that was used on the 1969 Dodge Daytona Charger...The width & length seem to be dimensionally correct ( in my opinion) link with picture......Mark http://www.classycars.org/Dodg...na.440%20Magnum.html

My 2 cents,
The Daytona fender vents look good on the Daytona, but too big and bulky for the pantera. The fender louvers (Garvino's pic) look good but kind of looks late 80's.
I prefer a clean fender.

I'm starting to "Question" my approach as to altering my fenders. I'm inclined to agree with "Kitty"....maybe just leave it alone.....Mark

Mark; While I agree that the Charger/Superbird scoops are not elegant on a Pantera and ribbed vents are a bit dated, I saw an alternative years back at the Pocono Event that caught my fancy. They were on Koji Kuboto's (sp) yellow Pantera and were NACA ducts that he used to route fresh air to the cabin. I haven't seen his car in a decade and perhaps it would look dated to me now; however, it looked good back then.

I do not have a picture of his car, yet I am confident someone else on the Forum may. As I recall the Pantera won best of show every year it was there, and finally, Koji removed it from the judging so that others would have a chance to take the award. Can someone post a pic of his front end treatment?